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	==Disambiguation: (DropShip) vs. (DropShip class)==		==Disambiguation: (DropShip) vs. (DropShip class)==
−	Hi Rev, I'm confused: Why did you move [[Lee (DropShip class)]] over to [[Lee (DropShip)]]? We deliberately chose to spell out the disambiguation ten years or so ago because simply (DropShip) isn’t clear enough - it could refer to an individual DropShip or a whole class. That’s why simply (DropShip) was deprecated in favor of the more precise (DropShip class), and I made an effort to move articles and redirects accordingly and update links. Same for other ship types etc., except for special outlier cases like the [[Erinyes (Individual WarShip)]] which happens to be a one-off individual ship eponymous for its class yet still requiring disambiguation.	+	Hi Rev, I'm confused: Why did you move [[Lee (DropShip class)]] over to [[Lee (DropShip)]]? We deliberately chose to spell out the disambiguation ten years or so ago because simply (DropShip) isn’t clear enough - it could refer to an individual DropShip or a whole class. That’s why simply (DropShip) was deprecated in favor of the more precise (DropShip class), and I made an effort to move articles and redirects accordingly and update links. Same for other ship types etc., except for special outlier cases like the [[Erinyes (WarShip)]] which happens to be a one-off individual ship eponymous for its class yet still requiring disambiguation.
	Same about the Tigress small craft. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 14:42, 2 July 2022 (EDT)		Same about the Tigress small craft. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 14:42, 2 July 2022 (EDT)

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__TOC__ =Archives= <div class="desktop-3-col"> *[[User talk:Revanche/Archive_2006|Archive 2006]] *[[User talk:Revanche/Archive_2007|Archive 2007]] *[[User talk:Revanche/Archive_2008|Archive 2008]] *[[User talk:Revanche/Archive_2009|Archive 2009]] *[[User talk:Revanche/Archive_2010|Archive 2010]] *[[User talk:Revanche/Archive_2011|Archive 2011]] *[[User talk:Revanche/Archive_2012|Archive 2012]] *[[User talk:Revanche/Archive_2013|Archive 2013]] *[[User talk:Revanche/Archive_2014|Archive 2014]] *[[User talk:Revanche/Archive_2015|Archive 2015]] *[[User talk:Revanche/Archive_2016|Archive 2016]] *[[User talk:Revanche/Archive_2017|Archive 2017]] *[[User talk:Revanche/Archive_2018|Archive 2018]] *[[User talk:Revanche/Archive_2019|Archive 2019]] *[[User talk:Revanche/Archive_2020|Archive 2020]] </div> = Current = '''Please add new entries to the bottom of this page (to ensure I actually see them).''' == Store links == Hi Rev, good to see you back in action! Have a virtual pat on the back buddy! :) A word of caution though: You've been inserting store links into item articles (specifically, [[BattleRun 2]]). I think this is a bad idea. Using links to external sites has bitten Sarna in the back multiple times in the past already, because those links go obsolete in a heartbeat when the other site decides to change their makeup, or simply goes offline. We've seen a forum crash, two changes of link structure on the new forum, the death of BattleCorps and some other sites, and one or two revampings of the Catalyst store so far. In each and every case we suddenly had dead links on Sarna. To this day we're seeing occasional IP edits fixing or simply removing old store links from many years ago that are now dead links. My takeaway is to avoid external links like the plague, and straight out copy relevant online content (like official rulings) to talk pages to archive them there. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 05:40, 4 May 2021 (EDT) : Thanks for the welcome, Frabby. Sure, I can recognize that danger, especially if it has already happened. The reasons for adding them are understood, but it appears the administrative cost is too high (don't get me started on how it is ''still'' difficult for new players to even ''find'' the store on the CGL site; I do my purchasing on DriveThru). As to adding store links, why don't we just remove them altogether? A large part of wikis involves copying wikicode and changing it. If we do away with it, then it won't be replicated by editors (and errant admin-types).--[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] ^{([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])} 08:02, 4 May 2021 (EDT) == Ping! == Hey buddy. Made it to the Discord channel.--[[User:Mbear|Mbear]]^{([[User_talk:Mbear|talk]])} 12:00, 14 June 2021 (EDT) :: Ping received--[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] ^{([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])} 15:09, 14 June 2021 (EDT). :::testing, 1, 2, 3...-[[User:Volt|Volt]] ([[User talk:Volt|talk]]) 10:33, 20 June 2021 (EDT) == Category Notable Pilots == Hi Revanche, I copied the "base" of [[:Category:Notable Awesome pilots]] from another "Notable Page", so most probably issues are in all those pages. will you review and correct them?--[[User:Pserratv|Pserratv]] ([[User talk:Pserratv|talk]]) 06:48, 21 June 2021 (EDT) : Rgr, wilco.--[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] ^{([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])} 07:34, 21 June 2021 (EDT) :: Thanks!--[[User:Pserratv|Pserratv]] ([[User talk:Pserratv|talk]]) 08:13, 21 June 2021 (EDT) ==Tamar Rising systems== Hi Rev, in regards to this [[:File:Tamar Rising coordinates 2021-06-16 (CGL).png]], I think it should be noted somewhere in the text box going with the file that two of the three systems have subsequently been identified as pre-existing systems by Ray that had been renamed. Just to make it clear that we aren't looking at three entirely new and previously unmapped systems (only one). [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 03:48, 22 June 2021 (EDT) : For your review.--[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] ^{([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])} 06:12, 22 June 2021 (EDT) == DPL (Help, Policy, etc.) == Here you go! [[User:Mbear/RevancheDPLTest]]--[[User:Mbear|Mbear]]^{([[User_talk:Mbear|talk]])} 08:42, 24 June 2021 (EDT) ==Laundry List== Put up a few thoughts in the Admins section of the Sarna forum. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 09:23, 27 June 2021 (EDT) : Will be there shortly. Just wanting to wrap-up this current distraction.--[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] ^{([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])} 20:14, 27 June 2021 (EDT) ==Out of date infobox== Hey Rev, just noticed you updating the [[Template:InfoBoxStateUnit]], and I am guessing that you do not know that it has been retired alongside [[Template:InfoBoxMercUnit]] because they are not time agnostic. I created [[Template:InfoBoxMilitaryCommand]] a time agnostic and generally more flexible box about 2 years ago.--[[User:Dmon|Dmon]] ([[User talk:Dmon|talk]]) 20:10, 27 June 2021 (EDT) : Did. Not. Know. Thanks for the early head's up! Hey, do you think replacing those two via Nic's bot is something you'd like to consider? Also, strongly suggest a banner be created/added to those, so that others (including forgetful me) don't trend back to their use.--[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] ^{([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])} 20:15, 27 June 2021 (EDT) :: If we can get a bot to do it... The answer is Yes x 10,000 because I have the unfortunate task of informing somebody they are using the wrong infobox at least once a week between this and the updated character box I did last year.--[[User:Dmon|Dmon]] ([[User talk:Dmon|talk]]) 20:19, 27 June 2021 (EDT) ::: It's certainly a possibility. [[User:Nicjansma/NicBotRequests|Here's how to "apply"]].--[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] ^{([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])} 20:22, 27 June 2021 (EDT) :::: Created a banner aand will ask Nic--[[User:Dmon|Dmon]] ([[User talk:Dmon|talk]]) 20:34, 27 June 2021 (EDT) ::::: That ''might'' catch my attention next time. ;) --[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] ^{([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])} 21:07, 27 June 2021 (EDT) ==Category Correction: Individual Naval Vessel== So tried my hand at creating a template (Template:InfoBoxIndividualNavalVessel)and I think I correctly built it. However, I made an error on creating the category (Category:Individual Naval Vessels) to capture the articles that use the template by putting an 's' at the end of Vessel. Are you able to correct that? Thanks![[User:CungrVanck|CungrVanck]] ([[User talk:CungrVanck|talk]]) 07:07, 30 June 2021 (EDT) : Can you get on Discord?--[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] ^{([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])} 07:42, 30 June 2021 (EDT) == InfoBoxProduct == Revanche, I am following up on the matter of adding the field Format to the Product Infobox, namely, [[Template:InfoBoxProduct]] and [[Template:InfoBoxProduct/doc]]. Probing the documents, I have a rough sense of what edits would be needed. But I also surmise that these pages are sensitive and that an error in set up would immediately affect anything using that template (though I suppose any error in editing could be fixed by reversion). So do these go through the ususal edit process? or do they require some special handling? --[[User:Dude RB|Dude RB]] ([[User talk:Dude RB|talk]]) 22:03, 24 October 2021 (EDT) : Hey, Dude RB. If you feel you have consensus to move forward and are ready to experiment with editing a template, please take your shot. Reach out to me either here or on the server if you experience any difficulty. --[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] ^{([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])} 06:37, 25 October 2021 (EDT) ==3032 year page== Why did you remove the entry for the opening of the Outreach Hiring Hall in March of 3032? It was challenged, but the source was found and I just put it into the pertinent articles. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 06:45, 5 November 2021 (EDT) ==correct naming of Köningsberg== I changed the name to the historic name since that name is used in both, the atlas section in ''Historical Turning Points: Hanseatic Crusade'' (p.3), and all maps (p. 14,15,16,17,18), which was published in 2020. I am not sure whether this more recent source does actually supersede the statement from 2012, would leave that to you to decide. Nevertheless you are right should have mentioned a source, will do next time. Your local cartographer, 13 November 2021 {{Unsigned|184.154.220.170|6:56, 13 November 2021‎ }} : Thank you for the back-fill. If it hasn't happened already, I'll add your notes to the Notes section. The use of the historic spelling in ''Hanseatic Crusade'' does suggest that it should have priority. I'll bring it up on the Discord channel and get a consensus. Thank you for getting back to me.--[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] ^{([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])} 08:36, 14 November 2021 (EST) ==You KNOW why!== And you appear to be the first person to get this more than once. Congrats.<br> [[File:Sur_1bol.jpg|Surreal Award, 2nd ribbon]] --[[User:Talvin|Talvin]] ([[User talk:Talvin|talk]]) 18:24, 6 March 2022 (EST) :Thank you much. I appreciate the constant reminder of my overwhelming humility. --[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] ^{([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])} 11:43, 7 March 2022 (EST) ==Images-as-references test case== Discord go boom, major outage. When you have a chance, discussing practical concerns at [[Talk:Bull Shark]].{{Unsigned|‎Talvin| 14:07, 8 March 2022}} : Thank you! I was just coming here to ask if you were having problems (I'm notorious for having log-in issues).--[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] ^{([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])} 14:32, 8 March 2022 (EST) :: Discordstatus DOT com. I don't dare drop a URL in here when I can't reach out to ask someone to unblock me. :D --[[User:Talvin|Talvin]] ([[User talk:Talvin|talk]]) 14:36, 8 March 2022 (EST) ::: ''Danke''.--[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] ^{([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])} 14:38, 8 March 2022 (EST) == Bibliography spacing == Hi, Revanche. I was wondering why there should be two lines between the Bibliography instead of one. They looked the same on my desktop when I tested them but I know it's easy for different platforms to show things differently. [[User:Madness Divine|Madness Divine]] ([[User talk:Madness Divine|talk]]) 21:09, 9 June 2022 (EDT) : Hey, Madness. There "shouldn't". There's no rule, just a preference that was shared with me on another wiki: it makes no difference to the reader, but it helps (albeit slightly) to the editor, a bit of separation between the readable content and the wiki-code (of categorization). It's a bit like putting spaces after bullets and their bullet items or like the space after the indent at the beginning of this response. I was convinced it made things a wee bit easier for other editors and now do it out of habit. There's no need for you to adopt it. Good question. --[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] ^{([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])} 11:09, 10 June 2022 (EDT) :: Thanks. Always nice to know the logic behind something. [[User:Madness Divine|Madness Divine]] ([[User talk:Madness Divine|talk]]) 20:29, 10 June 2022 (EDT) ::: Complete concurrence. --[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] ^{([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])} 08:45, 11 June 2022 (EDT) == Nominee for a Sarna's Most Wanted == I nominate [[Operation DIVINE INTERVENTION]] to be Sarna's Most Wanted in some future week. I realize that something with five redlinks would not normally take that coveted spot, but it's an important event in the universe's history. Related: this would solve a problem I discuss further at [[Talk:2827]]. --[[User:Talvin|Talvin]] ([[User talk:Talvin|talk]]) 10:14, 20 June 2022 (EDT) :Sure, I'm fine with doing that next week.--[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] ^{([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])} 10:47, 20 June 2022 (EDT) ::Thanks!--[[User:Talvin|Talvin]] ([[User talk:Talvin|talk]]) 10:56, 20 June 2022 (EDT) == Composite...something. == Hey, you may have noticed I occasionally come along behind your current project and fix links that are pointing to a redirect, like switching <nowiki>[[Primitive Engine]]</nowiki> to <nowiki>[[Primitive engine]]</nowiki>. Are you planning to do anything with this: [[Special:WhatLinksHere/Composite_Internal_Structure]] ? Five redirects, and which should be the "true" name is a mystery to me. If you can figure that one out, I'll be happy to deal with the links.--[[User:Talvin|Talvin]] ([[User talk:Talvin|talk]]) 20:06, 28 June 2022 (EDT) : Yes, I am (and you're the first to notice my new white whale), but the "when" is debatable. There are so many items that are treated like proper nouns on Sarna that are truly common, and it has completely infested articles, even outside of wikilinks. "Composite Internal Structure" is a fine example and should really be "composite internal structure" (or "Composite internal structure", as an article name). If you want to follow me, be my guest; or, you can follow your own path and see where it takes you (like with "composite internal structure"). I'd be glad to collaborate with you, regardless. : To answer your question (and off the top of my head): :* Good-to-stay, but directed to "Composite internal structure": :** Composite :** Composite chassis :** Composite structure :* Redirect (actual) articles to de-capitalized names and then delete the improperly Capitalized Article Names: :** Composite Chassis :** Composite Structure : My guidance to you would be to open up the references in the main articles (that you find linked) and determine which term is the "root" one; I've even used the index of a rulebook as guidance. Then, open your mind and accept common abbreviations as redirects, especially those that are used in canon lore/rules (see [[Special:WhatLinksHere/Extralight_fusion_engine]]); on the opposite side, outright deny some, such as that capitalize the First Letter of each word in a common name or abbreviate with periods (ex: I.C.E.). : My first goal was to properly redirect each common noun in the [[Fury (Combat Vehicle)]] article, but I've got distracted by fixing all engines. I'll probably return to the vehicle article when I'm done with this "branch". : Does this help? --[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] ^{([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])} 21:26, 28 June 2022 (EDT) ::I get the gist, and I will review this with fresh eyes in the morning and see what I can do. Thanks!--[[User:Talvin|Talvin]] ([[User talk:Talvin|talk]]) 21:29, 28 June 2022 (EDT) ::: Welcome aboard! --[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] ^{([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])} 21:30, 28 June 2022 (EDT) ::::BTW, I favor <nowiki>[['Mech bones]]</nowiki> but yeah, have it your way.... ;) --[[User:Talvin|Talvin]] ([[User talk:Talvin|talk]]) 21:33, 28 June 2022 (EDT) ::::: ''C'est la vie'' (or maybe it should be "''c'est des os''")!--[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] ^{([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])} 21:39, 28 June 2022 (EDT) ::::::"I'm a Doctor, not a great hulking robot anime reject!"--[[User:Talvin|Talvin]] ([[User talk:Talvin|talk]]) 09:06, 29 June 2022 (EDT) :On a second look, I am going to disagree on something you said above: <nowiki>'''[[Composite]]'''</nowiki> is too vague to be kept. As [[Composite internal structure]] points out, even the full name is often confused with [[Endo-Composite]]. I do not find anything in Technology using "composite" that is not internal structure, but it's always one new sourcebook away. I am already piping in the full name for the shortened versions when I find them, as sweat now saves tears later.--[[User:Talvin|Talvin]] ([[User talk:Talvin|talk]]) 11:12, 29 June 2022 (EDT) :: Absolutely. You're the SME on the ground dealing with that particular industrial product. I can get behind that decision.--[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] ^{([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])} 11:14, 29 June 2022 (EDT) ==Gauss Rifle proper name casing== I can’t help but note that the ToC in the [[BattleTech Master Rules, Revised Edition]] rulebook capitalized "Rifle" - you have thus "corrected" a direct quote from the book. Given that different spelling is used in official products, do we really need to unify a proper name casing across Sarna? [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 01:14, 30 June 2022 (EDT) : I don't consider the capitalizations from non-standard text—like tables of content and section headings—to be appropriate sources for writing styles. However, please feel free to jump in [https://discord.com/channels/845495550803705886/950793134357479444/992054758753972234 here] for consensus building. --[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] ^{([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])} 09:44, 30 June 2022 (EDT) ==Disambiguation: (DropShip) vs. (DropShip class)== Hi Rev, I'm confused: Why did you move [[Lee (DropShip class)]] over to [[Lee (DropShip)]]? We deliberately chose to spell out the disambiguation ten years or so ago because simply (DropShip) isn’t clear enough - it could refer to an individual DropShip or a whole class. That’s why simply (DropShip) was deprecated in favor of the more precise (DropShip class), and I made an effort to move articles and redirects accordingly and update links. Same for other ship types etc., except for special outlier cases like the [[Erinyes (WarShip)]] which happens to be a one-off individual ship eponymous for its class yet still requiring disambiguation. Same about the Tigress small craft. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 14:42, 2 July 2022 (EDT) : Yeah, I'm having the same second-thoughts. I did find some mis-usage of "class" for other titles. I'll revert back.--[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] ^{([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])} 14:48, 2 July 2022 (EDT) ::Great minds think alike and all that. :) [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 08:16, 3 July 2022 (EDT) :::Good call, I was going to mention that I prefere class but I have had a busy fer days and Frabby beat me too it.--[[User:Dmon|Dmon]] ([[User talk:Dmon|talk]]) 09:37, 3 July 2022 (EDT) == Nameless Signature, how that happened. == This is a fun trick. --21:47, 5 July 2022 (EDT)<br> This is a fun trick. --<nowiki>~~~~~</nowiki> Count the tildes: five.<br> Stop after four tildes and you get --[[User:Talvin|Talvin]] ([[User talk:Talvin|talk]]) 21:47, 5 July 2022 (EDT) :And this is what you get when you attempt to import a thumbs up as ASCII art. ████ ██ ██ ▓▓ ██ ▓▓ ██ ██ ██ ██ ██ ██ ██ ██ ██ ██████████ ██ ██ ██░░▒▒▒▒░░▒▒██ ██████ ██████████████ ██░░░░░░░░▒▒██ ██ ██ ██▒▒▒▒▒▒░░▒▒██ ██ ██ ██▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓██ ██ ██████████ ██▓▓▓▓▒▒▓▓▓▓██ ██ ██ ██▓▓▓▓▒▒▒▒▒▒██ ▓▓ ░░░░ ██ ██▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓██ ██ ████████ ██▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓██ ██ ██ ██▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓██ ██ ██ ██▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓██ ██ ██████ ██▓▓▓▓▓▓ ▓▓██ ██ ██ ██▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓██ ████████████████████ ██████████ : --[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] ^{([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])} 22:28, 5 July 2022 (EDT) :Looks like the printer has jammed again!--[[User:Dmon|Dmon]] ([[User talk:Dmon|talk]]) 22:31, 5 July 2022 (EDT) ::Funny thing is, it still works when I edit the page. HAH! Anyhow, I saw what you said about DudeRB's sig over on the other page and my brain dredged up "There is a reason for that, it is ''somewhere'' in the help or policy pages...now I gotta go find it." And I have no idea why MediaWiki has that, but that's what does it.--[[User:Talvin|Talvin]] ([[User talk:Talvin|talk]]) 11:00, 6 July 2022 (EDT) ::: ████ ██ ██ ▓▓ ██ ▓▓ ██ ██ ██ ██ ██ ██ ██ ██ ██ ██████████ ██ ██ ██░░▒▒▒▒░░▒▒██ ██████ ██████████████ ██░░░░░░░░▒▒██ ██ ██ ██▒▒▒▒▒▒░░▒▒██ ██ ██ ██▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓██ ██ ██████████ ██▓▓▓▓▒▒▓▓▓▓██ ██ ██ ██▓▓▓▓▒▒▒▒▒▒██ ▓▓ ░░░░ ██ ██▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓██ ██ ████████ ██▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓██ ██ ██ ██▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓██ ██ ██ ██▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓██ ██ ██████ ██▓▓▓▓▓▓ ▓▓██ ██ ██ ██▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓██ ████████████████████ ██████████--[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] ^{([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])} 11:01, 6 July 2022 (EDT) ---- ---- |oooo| |oooo| |oooo| |oooo| |oooo| /-------\ |oooo| (|*ooo|/\ | | /\|ooo*|) ----| /-------\ |---- /--\| |/ \ | / \| |/--\ ___/\ || || /---\ || || /\___ /\\__/\-/|_|\--|\_/|--/|_|\-/\__//\ | / 0=\o---o/=0 \ | |-| \o_o/ |-| (=) |=====| (=) |-| _ __ |---| __ _ |-| /---\ /| |||=======||| |\ /---\ |<0>| || |||=======||| || |<0>| \---/ \|_|-- --|_|/ \---/ |o| || || |o| /|| ||\ /--||\ /||--\ |====| |====| \_||_/ \_||_/ /||\ /||\ |||| |||| //--\\ //--\\ || || || || || || || || \| |/ \| |/ /\__/\ /\__/\ __ /====\ __ __ /====\ __ /_/==|__|==\_\ /_/==|__|==\_\ [https://www.eyrie.org/~sw/btech/btechasc.htm ASCII Timber Wolf By: Rick Heney] -[[User:Talvin|Talvin]] ([[User talk:Talvin|talk]]) 11:06, 6 July 2022 (EDT) ::::Also: <pre> ████ ██ ██ ▓▓ ██ ▓▓ ██ ██ ██ ██ ██ ██ ██ ██ ██ ██████████ ██ ██ ██░░▒▒▒▒░░▒▒██ ██████ ██████████████ ██░░░░░░░░▒▒██ ██ ██ ██▒▒▒▒▒▒░░▒▒██ ██ ██ ██▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓██ ██ ██████████ ██▓▓▓▓▒▒▓▓▓▓██ ██ ██ ██▓▓▓▓▒▒▒▒▒▒██ ▓▓ ░░░░ ██ ██▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓██ ██ ████████ ██▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓██ ██ ██ ██▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓██ ██ ██ ██▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓██ ██ ██████ ██▓▓▓▓▓▓ ▓▓██ ██ ██ ██▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓██ ████████████████████ ██████████</pre> I know I am going to regret arming you with this, but at least I will not suffer alone. --[[User:Talvin|Talvin]] ([[User talk:Talvin|talk]]) 11:10, 6 July 2022 (EDT) :: [big 'ol, not so-innocent, grin]--[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] ^{([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])} 11:35, 6 July 2022 (EDT) == Query about the contract on Aerospace Fighter capitalization project == "27 July 2022: Contract Out on "Aerospace Fighters" A change in capitalization stylization means Editors are encouraged to weed out the improperly capitalized "Aerospace Fighter" and replace it with "aerospace fighter" (except in section and table headings)." Two questions about this capitalization style: # Does this change include piping of links to the "Aerospace Fighter" article to read "aerospace fighter" instead? # Does this change also include references to "Aerospace" in an article's body text. (Such as "Part of the Aerospace elements" in the Charles Sinclair article) Thanks! [[Special:Contributions/75.23.228.139|75.23.228.139]] 13:32, 8 August 2022 (EDT) : Yes (with contextual provisions) and yes. --[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] ^{([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])} 14:41, 8 August 2022 (EDT) == Query about the proper noun capitalization project == * Question 1: is there no longer a bounty on "AeroSpace Fighters"? * Question 2: is there a bounty on Anti-Missile Systems? I haven't seen an announcement yet. [[Special:Contributions/75.23.228.139|75.23.228.139]] 22:42, 11 August 2022 (EDT) : A1: Any instances found of either term ("Aerospace Fighter"/"AeroSpace Fighter") or capitalization of related words (ex: "Aerospace", "Fighter", "Pilot") should absolutely be corrected. There is just no reliable manner in which to track group progress, now that all linked uses of those terms are eradicated. Feel free to hunt 'em down. : A2: No, that is simply what I'm personally working on. Help in eradicating mis-use of that term is, of course, appreciated, as it is on all improperly-capitalized words & terms. However, Sarna was in error to have a policy statement where "AeroSpace Fighter" (''et al'') was the "preferred" term, in light of CGL's completely opposite position. We felt having the ASF Campaign was the best way to put a complete stop to it on Sarna. There may be future campaigns announced, as Sarna is working with CGL to update our [[BattleTechWiki:Manual of Style|Manual of Style]]. : Good questions. --[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] ^{([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])} 09:20, 12 August 2022 (EDT) == ASF Campaign Ribbon thread == Better create a section for people that participated in the great ASF cleaning of 2022. [[User:SilverCyanide|SilverCyanide]]. : I think you already have! --[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] ^{([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])} 09:23, 12 August 2022 (EDT) * I participated a lot in the first few days of the campaign, so putting my name here. [[User:SilverCyanide|SilverCyanide]]. : Indeed. CHECK--[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] ^{([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])} 09:29, 12 August 2022 (EDT) == Design Quirks redirects == Design Quirks should probably be renamed Design Quirk but I don't have permission to rename all the redirects automatically if I move the page. Could you give it a go? [[User:Madness Divine|Madness Divine]] ([[User talk:Madness Divine|talk]]) 09:49, 26 August 2022 (EDT) : Could you please link me to an example you'd like changed? --[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] ^{([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])} 09:51, 26 August 2022 (EDT) :: Sorry, I think I misworded that. Here's the message: ''To also modify links to this page in other pages, go to Special:ReplaceText.'' I don't have permission to do that. I lost track of how many pages have Design Quirks links which would now link to the new redirect. Or maybe I'm seeing a problem that isn't really there. [[User:Madness Divine|Madness Divine]] ([[User talk:Madness Divine|talk]]) 10:00, 26 August 2022 (EDT) ::: I still need an example of where that change would take place, as [[Special:ReplaceText]] is extremely easy to massively screw up hundreds of pages at a time. Seeing your present example would give me context in which to limit that tool. --[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] ^{([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])} 10:03, 26 August 2022 (EDT) :::: [[Anti-Aircraft Targeting]] is an example; redirect code is <nowiki>#REDIRECT[[Design Quirks#Anti-Aircraft Targeting.5BBT.2C_AS.2C_SBF.5D]]</nowiki>. I don't know how many of these DQ redirects there are, just that there are more than when I first looked at the task months ago and put it on the really back burner. Looks like Wrangler took a run through fixing them in February. [[User:Madness Divine|Madness Divine]] ([[User talk:Madness Divine|talk]]) 10:17, 26 August 2022 (EDT) ::::: That's a very good example. Thank you. This might be tricky. I need to consider the permutations. I'll let you know. --[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] ^{([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])} 10:23, 26 August 2022 (EDT) :::::: <strike>Can you meet me on Discord? --[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] ^{([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])} 10:26, 26 August 2022 (EDT)</strike> :::::: I detailed my analysis to you in a Discord DM.--[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] ^{([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])} 10:45, 26 August 2022 (EDT) == Is it appropriate to have notes when BattleTech references are actually incorrect compared to real life? == Hi, I didn't see an Policy that addresses the following topic. I noticed that the articles concerning DCMS ranks say that the symbols are ''katakana'', presumably because that's what BattleTech canon (FM: DC, House Kurita Sourcebook, etc) actually say. However, the symbols that BattleTech canon actually uses is ''kanji'', not ''katakana''....if one needs a real world reference, this should suffice: https://www.fluentin3months.com/japanese-numbers/#kanjinumbersinjapanese11trillion * Question 1: Assuming that BattleTech canon sources actually do say ''katakana'', is it appropriate to correct BattleTech canon when the canon sources themselves are actually incorrect compared to real life sources? * Question 2: If question 1 is yes, what would be the preferred way to correct the article references, use Notes to record the inaccuracy or just edit out the canon article text that conflicts with the real world? As an example of Notes method, please see how I updated [[Senior Master Chief Petty Officer]] [[Special:Contributions/75.23.228.139|75.23.228.139]] 12:52, 26 August 2022 (EDT) : I've run across a few such notes on other pages with similar errors, if that helps. [[User:Madness Divine|Madness Divine]] ([[User talk:Madness Divine|talk]]) 12:56, 26 August 2022 (EDT) :: I prefer the use of notes, also, to address the incongruities. Rarely do we have the manpower and focus to defend over years differences between what is said in canon and what Sarna ''believes'' should be said. Notes, at the least, address it and allow the tangent to be addressed.--[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] ^{([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])} 13:07, 26 August 2022 (EDT) As an aside, the BattleTech canon discrepancy between ''katakana'' and ''kanji'' isn't limited to DCMS ranks. I vaguely remember a particularly egregious example in either House Kurita Sourcebook or one of the MechWarrior RPG books about a soldier having "konji" on their uniform, when in reality, it was ''katakana'' (and poorly transcribed kana at that). I'm keeping an eye out for that on BTW. [[Special:Contributions/75.23.228.139|75.23.228.139]] 13:48, 26 August 2022 (EDT) == [[Steve Venters]] == Hi Revanche, I was wondering if you knew of a way we could contact Steve Venters. His work has been getting attention among the [[MechWarrior 5: Mercenaries]] Community with Clan Heavy Omnimech mods heavily based on his original TRO 3050 illustrations. His page on the BTW is very bare, and I'd love to see it get the same treatment as I was able to give to [[Ashley Watkins]]' page. After all, he designed the way the [[Timber Wolf (Mad Cat)]] looks! I have no idea if he's still alive - it would be cool to get Sean to do an interview with him like he did with [[Matt Plog]].--[[User:Beemer|Beemer]] ([[User talk:Beemer|talk]]) 12:26, 2 January 2023 (EST) :I've been looking for a firm online presence for him on-and-off for a while now, without much luck. He's possibly the president/general contractor of a construction company in North Carolina, but I haven't been able to confirm. Same person is on LinkedIn as an art distributor in the 90's.--[[User:Cache|Cache]] ([[User talk:Cache|talk]]) 13:19, 2 January 2023 (EST) ::Hah! I checked LinkedIn this morning and found the same stuff! I'll ask in a few more places to see if I can get any leads.--[[User:Beemer|Beemer]] ([[User talk:Beemer|talk]]) 13:57, 2 January 2023 (EST)

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