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{{Welcome|Dark Jaguar|Dave}}

==Archives==

[[User_talk:Dark Jaguar/Archive 2013|Archive 2013]]


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== Dragoon Commands ==

Dark Jaguar - Glad to see another Dragoon lover on board! Have a [[File:RAA_1bol.jpg|Random Act of Appreciation Award, 2nd ribbon]] on me. [[User:ClanWolverine101|ClanWolverine101]] ([[User talk:ClanWolverine101|talk]]) 20:34, 12 March 2016 (PST)
: Thank you - but doesn't everyone have a soft spot for the Dragoons lol [[User:Dark Jaguar|Dark Jaguar]] ([[User talk:Dark Jaguar|talk]]) 13:04, 14 March 2016 (PDT)
:: Not at all. I have been called a "fan boy" more than once. ;) [[User:ClanWolverine101|ClanWolverine101]] ([[User talk:ClanWolverine101|talk]]) 21:17, 14 March 2016 (PDT)

=='Mech magazine==
Very happy with your work here, and especially the image uploads. Keep it up! :) [[File:SubAdd 2bol.jpg|Substantial Addition Award, 3rd ribbon]][[File:ImgImp.jpg|Image Import Award, 1st ribbon]] [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 06:10, 20 March 2016 (PDT)

: Wow! Thank you very much :)  [[User:Dark Jaguar|Dark Jaguar]] ([[User talk:Dark Jaguar|talk]]) 06:18, 20 March 2016 (PDT)

==Games Unplugged - You Bet Your Life==
Just saw your additions. Is You Bet Your Life a story? If so, can you create a short story article about it like it was done with [[The Ties That Bind]]? [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 11:57, 15 April 2016 (PDT)
: No its not a story, it's an article. The full title could be ''Classic BattleTech: You Bet Your Life''. The info was give to me by someone I know so I don't have the actual magazine. [[User:Dark Jaguar|Dark Jaguar]] ([[User talk:Dark Jaguar|talk]]) 02:01, 16 April 2016 (PDT)

== Goliath Scorpion/Escorpion Imperio ==

All Galaxies and Clusters for Clan Goliath Scorpion and the Escorpion Imperio have been updated to 3086 after the Wars of Reaving. Would welcome any edits on typos etc that I may have missed. [[User:Dark Jaguar|Dark Jaguar]] ([[User talk:Dark Jaguar|talk]]) 04:31, 21 May 2016 (PDT)

== Winson/Ward Typo ==

DJ - Thanks for catching my typo! Have a [[File:AP 1bol.jpg|All Purpose Award, 2nd ribbon]] ! [[User:ClanWolverine101|ClanWolverine101]] ([[User talk:ClanWolverine101|talk]]) 15:14, 28 May 2016 (PDT)
:Thank you very much {{Emoticon| :) }} and no worries it was another good article.  [[User:Dark Jaguar|Dark Jaguar]] ([[User talk:Dark Jaguar|talk]]) 15:42, 28 May 2016 (PDT)

== Star League Commands ==

I have added graphics links to every SLDF command, personally I think these enhances each unit's page giving it a more polished look. I didn't appreciate how long that would take when I started, now for the content on each unit ... I may have bitten off more than I can chew!!! lol [[User:Dark Jaguar|Dark Jaguar]] ([[User talk:Dark Jaguar|talk]]) 04:00, 4 June 2016 (PDT)
:Wait, you're done with those? I was just going to ask if I could help out in some way... -[[User:BobTheZombie|BobTheZombie]] ([[User talk:BobTheZombie|talk]]) 08:08, 4 June 2016 (PDT)
:: I've added all the graphics {{Emoticon| :) }} now to dig out the source books for the content {{Emoticon| ;) }} [[User:Dark Jaguar|Dark Jaguar]] ([[User talk:Dark Jaguar|talk]]) 08:20, 4 June 2016 (PDT)
:::Okidoki... too bad I can't help you there {{Emoticon| :( }} -[[User:BobTheZombie|BobTheZombie]] ([[User talk:BobTheZombie|talk]]) 08:46, 4 June 2016 (PDT)
::::No worries thanks for the offer. [[User:Dark Jaguar|Dark Jaguar]] ([[User talk:Dark Jaguar|talk]]) 09:37, 5 June 2016 (PDT)

== Tau Galaxy Clan Smoke Jaguar ==

Tau Galaxy is up for your approval. [[User:Dark Jaguar|Dark Jaguar]] ([[User talk:Dark Jaguar|talk]]) 07:49, 4 June 2016 (PDT)

== The Provisional Galaxy of Clan Smoke Jaguar ==

The Provisional Galaxy is up for your approval and comments. [[User:Dark Jaguar|Dark Jaguar]] ([[User talk:Dark Jaguar|talk]]) 17:02, 4 June 2016 (PDT)

== 212th Jaguar Reserve Cluster ==

Just got a copy of Operational Turning Points: REVIVAL Trials today and finding a new [[212th Jaguar Reserve (Clan Smoke Jaguar)|Jaguar Cluster]] makes me so happy {{Emoticon| :) }} (I'm so sad!!!) {{Emoticon| :D }} [[User:Dark Jaguar|Dark Jaguar]] ([[User talk:Dark Jaguar|talk]]) 09:36, 5 June 2016 (PDT)


== Midway Shipyards ==
Hi there, please can you take a look on [[Midway Shipyards]], iam not a fluff writer and i do this on Midway Shipyards as first, can you double check my writing...i dont know if its ok or i take a plagrarism of the source, thanks a lot to take a look.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] ([[User talk:Doneve|talk]]) 14:13, 14 June 2016 (PDT)
:I'll take a look [[User:Dark Jaguar|Dark Jaguar]] ([[User talk:Dark Jaguar|talk]]) 14:23, 14 June 2016 (PDT)

== Alpha, Beta, Delta and Epsilon SJ Galaxies  ==

Completed a major overhaul of these Galaxies pages and an overhaul of all their associated Clusters. All battles are now documented and accounted for, for each unit and fully referenced. All pages should now cross reference to avoid masses of duplicated material. I know its my pet project but with no published Field Manual Sarna is pretty much the only place your find this verifiable information for what is, lets face it ... the most popular Bad Guys and opponents in the Era before WoB. Let me know if I missed something or if you have any info to add. [[User:Dark Jaguar|Dark Jaguar]] ([[User talk:Dark Jaguar|talk]]) 11:53, 17 June 2016 (PDT)
:He he he, you think you are done, neh neh neh, what is with all the planet pages some Jaguar commands involved during Operation Revival and Bulldog {{emoticon|;)}}.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] ([[User talk:Doneve|talk]]) 12:01, 17 June 2016 (PDT)
:: Nah, I know there are the Second Line Galaxies to go and then I'll move to the plants after I've collated all the battle info, but just know I'm rather pleased I think I caught all the errors and added all the info ... probably find more tomorrow! {{emoticon|:)}} [[User:Dark Jaguar|Dark Jaguar]] ([[User talk:Dark Jaguar|talk]]) 12:10, 17 June 2016 (PDT)

==Composition History==
Hi there, i love your SLDF composition updates, can you add please year numbers as header, cheers.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] ([[User talk:Doneve|talk]]) 09:04, 18 June 2016 (PDT)
:Thanks, yes no problem. These are current as of 2764, what I don't know is when these designations were introduced. They were different in the early Star League. [[User:Dark Jaguar|Dark Jaguar]] ([[User talk:Dark Jaguar|talk]]) 12:22, 18 June 2016 (PDT)
::I checke [[The Star League ]] and [[Field Manual: SLDF]] but you are correct the most units are around 2764.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] ([[User talk:Doneve|talk]]) 12:28, 18 June 2016 (PDT)

== Huntress Garrison ==

Both the Watchmen and the Iron Guard Galaxies pages as well as those of the six associated clusters have all been updated significantly, these are now no longer just little better than Stub articles. [[User:Dark Jaguar|Dark Jaguar]] ([[User talk:Dark Jaguar|talk]]) 14:40, 19 June 2016 (PDT)

== SLDF Unit updates ==

Please feel free to make whatever updates you wish to make. It's only a pet project because I was tired of banging my head against the wall on the Updates Needed links. If you want to update the [[User:Mbear/SLDFUpdates|SLDF Updates]] page when you're making updates, that's fine with me. (I mean, if you remove the appropriate link from that page, that'd be great.)--[[User:Mbear|Mbear]]<sup>([[User_talk:Mbear|talk]])</sup> 07:09, 20 June 2016 (PDT)

== Clan Wolf ==
Hi dude, i stard to add missing Clan Wolf units, when you found time please take a look and i hope you can expand it a little bit, thanks.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] ([[User talk:Doneve|talk]]) 13:42, 21 June 2016 (PDT)
:Already having a look at Epsilon Galaxy {{emoticon| :)}} Give the popularity of the Wolves I'm surprised no one has done more with them. [[User:Dark Jaguar|Dark Jaguar]] ([[User talk:Dark Jaguar|talk]]) 13:50, 21 June 2016 (PDT)

== Nega Garrison Cluster ==
Thank you for your edits. First Article for me, I was still learning how to do it right. I am looking forward to learning. [[User:ClanJF74017|ClanJF74017]] ([[User talk:ClanJF74017|talk]]) 10:37, 25 June 2016 (PDT)
: No worries, just putting it in the Sarna "house" style. If you need any help just ask. {{emoticon|:)}} Good spot on a little know unit, keep up the good work. [[User:Dark Jaguar|Dark Jaguar]] ([[User talk:Dark Jaguar|talk]]) 12:51, 25 June 2016 (PDT)

== Wolf Garrison Clusters ==
So Doneve told me to ask you, what is the proper format for unit clusters in reference to the newly made Garrison Cluster pages. for example he made the [[18th Wolf Garrison (Clan Wolf)]] page but should it not be [[18th Garrison (Clan Wolf)]] to be inline with other clan unit pages? i.e [[5th Garrison (Clan Nova Cat)]], and [[5th Garrison (Clan Smoke Jaguar)]]. I know he is just taking the names right out of the book. However having the extra "Wolf" in the title of the page is odd compared to other clans.
: To be honest if you look at the clan forces there isn't really a standard, many Clans have units pages that are constructed both ways. It depended upon which editor made the page originally. I can see both sides of the argument. From a user point of view searching for a cluster I would be more inclined the type in 18th Wolf Garrison in the search bar and with the wolf designation more prominent in the text would get the result I wanted quicker. I wouldn't have to scroll through possible ten or more "18th garrison (Clan X)" clusters or possibly give up thinking the unit was not there. [[User:Dark Jaguar|Dark Jaguar]] ([[User talk:Dark Jaguar|talk]]) 05:14, 26 June 2016 (PDT)
::That's why we set up redirects so we can have both ways :P, My mistake though in thinking there was a standard for how Clan units were suppose to be displayed, I was under the impression that we are to keep them much the same all the way though which is why we added the (Clan XXX) to the articles.--[[User:Deadfire|Deadfire]] ([[User talk:Deadfire|talk]]) 05:22, 26 June 2016 (PDT)
:::Yes the redirects are useful for searches, especially when using numerals however there are a lot of redirects being made with text ie Eleventh Battle (Clan Wolf). I honestly don't think anyone will search for a unit by typing in the text of its number.  There are multiple clusters across multiple Clans when the Clan name is included in the unit name eg 11th Wolf Regulars (Clan Wolf). I've not noticed any clusters with the (Clan XXX) suffix. There is a lot of work to do if you want uniformity across all Clans though, personally it seems a lot of effort with little gain. To me spending time on the content is far more important. [[User:Dark Jaguar|Dark Jaguar]] ([[User talk:Dark Jaguar|talk]]) 12:33, 26 June 2016 (PDT)
::::I think the typed out unit numerals are for the purpose of links in articles rather than search aids. I could be wrong though.--[[User:Dmon|Dmon]] ([[User talk:Dmon|talk]]) 16:22, 26 June 2016 (PDT)
:::::Yeah, I'd have to agree with Doneve on this, and be sure to keep it consistent whatever you decide. Also redirects are your best friend {{emoticon | :) }} -[[User:BobTheZombie|BobTheZombie]] ([[User talk:BobTheZombie|talk]]) 18:50, 26 June 2016 (PDT)
::::::The typed out unit numerals redirects still have (Clan XXX) as a suffix though, so still require editing on a page with an alternate text link. I just think we need to be a little more restrained with link edits and unnecessary pages. Eg 11th Battle (Clan Wolf)|Eleventh Wolf Battle Cluster - as a link does not require a new redirect page to be made, were as Eleventh Battle (Clan Wolf)|Eleventh Wolf Battle Cluster - does. Does that make sense? I fear we'll end up with more redirects than article pages. [[User:Dark Jaguar|Dark Jaguar]] ([[User talk:Dark Jaguar|talk]]) 07:12, 27 June 2016 (PDT)

==Military Commands needed==
How can I help out? I have joined recently have wrote 2 Articles so far as you know. I am wanting help on the Project. Is this goal to get all the Military Commands wrote up? I have access to most of the classic line, some of the Mechwarrior run, as well as some of the Mechwarrior: Dark Age. I can work on detail work from those novels to flush out units, I can work on new articles if some are missing. [[User:ClanJF74017|ClanJF74017]] ([[User talk:ClanJF74017|talk]]) 14:44, 27 June 2016 (PDT)
: Well as a Jade Falcon fan, there is a lot of work needed on their Galaxies and Clusters, add what you see is missing {{emoticon|:)}} [[User:Dark Jaguar|Dark Jaguar]] ([[User talk:Dark Jaguar|talk]]) 14:48, 27 June 2016 (PDT)
:::Sounds good to me, I shall begin there.[[User:ClanJF74017|ClanJF74017]] ([[User talk:ClanJF74017|talk]]) 15:00, 27 June 2016 (PDT)

==Question Novel vs Source Book==
I was reading that the Novels infomation is superseeds the sourcebooks? Is this true? I know there are source books that came out later some of the novels. [[User:ClanJF74017|ClanJF74017]] ([[User talk:ClanJF74017|talk]]) 15:04, 29 June 2016 (PDT)
:It's mostly true, however there are novels that get things totally wrong and have been corrected in later sourcebooks, for example [[Phelan Kell]] talking about [[Lincoln Osis]] and his history. Novels often make mistakes, if you see inconsistencies you can notes these in the Notes section of an article. [[User:Dark Jaguar|Dark Jaguar]] ([[User talk:Dark Jaguar|talk]]) 15:15, 29 June 2016 (PDT)
:::Okay. I have been looking at history of [[Khorsakhov's Cossacks]], I see the information listed that is there but I see in the novel [[Assumption of Risk]] they were "working" for Free Capella in 3056...the situation with Peter Steiner Davion, I see some of the same issues on Peter's Page. Also [[Tormano Liao]] shows that information. Defnitely some ambiguity there.[[User:ClanJF74017|ClanJF74017]] ([[User talk:ClanJF74017|talk]]) 15:24, 29 June 2016 (PDT)
::::It's been a long while since I read that novel. I think the problems are on Peters page, though I might be wrong. Might have to check the references used on those pages. [[User:Dark Jaguar|Dark Jaguar]] ([[User talk:Dark Jaguar|talk]]) 15:43, 29 June 2016 (PDT)
:::::I took what I had an and incorporated a little small detail to Peter's page. I also added a note to the notes on the merc unit. That way its addressed that way and referenced.[[User:ClanJF74017|ClanJF74017]] ([[User talk:ClanJF74017|talk]]) 19:15, 29 June 2016 (PDT)

== recharge station ==

I thank you for redirecting the page. for this, I give you  all purpose award, 3rd ribbon. [[file:AP 2bol.jpg|All Purpose Award, 3rd Ribbon]][[User:Calebmccormick|Calebmccormick]] ([[User talk:Calebmccormick|talk]]) 07:07, 5 July 2016 (PDT)calebmccormick
::Thank you very much {{emoticon|:)}} [[User:Dark Jaguar|Dark Jaguar]] ([[User talk:Dark Jaguar|talk]]) 08:35, 5 July 2016 (PDT)

== Deletion Log ==

Browsing the deletion log I find myself laughing to hard at the now gone Capellan Warrior House Feng Shui. {{emoticon|:D}} [[User:Dark Jaguar|Dark Jaguar]] ([[User talk:Dark Jaguar|talk]]) 10:53, 5 July 2016 (PDT)
: Oh that's awesome! They should be real lol [[User:Buzzard|Buzzard]] ([[User talk:Buzzard|talk]]) 12:51, 20 June 2017 (EDT)
::Yeah their tactical placement of resources would be second to none!  {{emoticon|:D}} - [[User:Dark Jaguar|Dark Jaguar]] ([[User talk:Dark Jaguar|talk]]) 15:06, 20 June 2017 (EDT)
: lol [[User:Buzzard|Buzzard]] ([[User talk:Buzzard|talk]]) 12:01, 27 June 2017 (EDT)

== Clan Widowmaker Touman ==

The known (at least by me) Clan Widowmaker Touman is up for review:
<br/>[[3rd Battle (Clan Widowmaker)|3rd Battle Cluster]]<br />[[4th Fang (Clan Widowmaker)|4th Fang Cluster]]<br />[[194th Crusader (Clan Widowmaker)|194th Crusader Cluster]]<br/>[[1st Spinner (Clan Widowmaker)|1st Spinner Cluster]]<br />[[5th Garrison (Clan Widowmaker)|5th Provisional Garrison Cluster]]<br /> If anyone knowns of any more Clusters let me know. [[User:Dark Jaguar|Dark Jaguar]] ([[User talk:Dark Jaguar|talk]]) 11:30, 5 July 2016 (PDT)

==Mercenary unit names==
I saw you're adding in the merc unit names in the infobox. I wondered why, as the infobox will automatically assume the article name if the field is left blank. It was only put in for cases of ambiguous names, where the unit's name might differ from the article name. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 12:49, 13 May 2017 (EDT)
: The Info box is not automatically adding the article name though and is blank when viewed. All other units have the info box filled out even when the article name is the same. [[User:Dark Jaguar|Dark Jaguar]] ([[User talk:Dark Jaguar|talk]]) 12:53, 13 May 2017 (EDT)
:: It was really a consistency thing, just so all pages have a uniform feel to them. [[User:Dark Jaguar|Dark Jaguar]] ([[User talk:Dark Jaguar|talk]]) 08:48, 4 June 2017 (EDT)

== Hello ==

Guess who! I finally joined lol It's a bit hard to navigate your way around this place isn't it. Luckily one guy showed me how to find people :-) [[User:Buzzard|Buzzard]] ([[User talk:Buzzard|talk]]) 12:00, 15 May 2017 (EDT)
:Oh no, there goes the neighbourhood! {{Emoticon| :D }}  Although it's my own fault I did tell you join, but that was when? 2013/14?  So you're a touch late! [[User:Dark Jaguar|Dark Jaguar]] ([[User talk:Dark Jaguar|talk]]) 16:22, 15 May 2017 (EDT)
Well you know what they say better late than never lol [[User:Buzzard|Buzzard]] ([[User talk:Buzzard|talk]]) 08:06, 5 June 2017 (EDT)

== Clan Wolverine Touman ==

I've put together the Touman from the sources I can find, if anyone knows any other references please let me know. [[User:Dark Jaguar|Dark Jaguar]] ([[User talk:Dark Jaguar|talk]]) 05:48, 28 May 2017 (EDT)
:Where did you find that? I didn't know they wrote anything about them? [[User:Buzzard|Buzzard]] ([[User talk:Buzzard|talk]]) 12:52, 20 June 2017 (EDT)
:: There isn't much written, most of what is comes from a single BattleCorps story ''[[Betrayal of Ideals]]''. It's told from the Wolverine perspective which differs from many other sources, but is still canon. - [[User:Dark Jaguar|Dark Jaguar]] ([[User talk:Dark Jaguar|talk]]) 15:06, 20 June 2017 (EDT)

== Award ==

It took me a while to notice the award on my home page, but I feel very honoured to have been awarded the Founder's Superior Writer of the Year Award for last year .. wow, thank you. [[User:Dark Jaguar|Dark Jaguar]] ([[User talk:Dark Jaguar|talk]]) 07:20, 30 May 2017 (EDT)
: Hey that's great congrats [[User:Buzzard|Buzzard]] ([[User talk:Buzzard|talk]]) 08:05, 5 June 2017 (EDT)

== Side Project ==

Completed a little side project to added the production dates of the early variants of 'Mechs that featured in TRO:3025 to the years pages. [[User:Dark Jaguar|Dark Jaguar]] ([[User talk:Dark Jaguar|talk]]) 08:37, 4 June 2017 (EDT)

== Thanks for the help ==

Thanks for editing the Horesmen and showing me the format to copy, it was very helpful. Hopefully I get the hang of this soon! lol  I've read through the awards and I think I need to give you one back, so here it is [[File:AA.jpg|Assistance Appreciated Award, 1st ribbon]] [[User:Buzzard|Buzzard]] ([[User talk:Buzzard|talk]]) 08:11, 5 June 2017 (EDT)
: You're welcome and thanks {{emoticon|:)}} - [[User:Dark Jaguar|Dark Jaguar]] ([[User talk:Dark Jaguar|talk]]) 14:47, 5 June 2017 (EDT)
::Oh and who are the "Horesmen"?  You still need a lot of editing I see! {{emoticon|:D}} - [[User:Dark Jaguar|Dark Jaguar]] ([[User talk:Dark Jaguar|talk]]) 14:49, 5 June 2017 (EDT)
: Cheeky! lol  [[User:Buzzard|Buzzard]] ([[User talk:Buzzard|talk]])

== MechForce Germany 'Mechs ==
I have two possibly three 'Mechs that I believe were produced by MFG exclusively. There was one called a Snake-Eye, a Nuke-EM (I think) and I believe that the Catapult K2 is also one of theirs. Does anyone have any information on MFG 'Mechs? - [[User:Dark Jaguar|Dark Jaguar]] ([[User talk:Dark Jaguar|talk]]) 18:54, 7 June 2017 (EDT)
:Which [[MechForce Germany]] would that have been? I've never been a member, and I only have the complete [[Life Support (magazine)|Life Support]] magazine from the first and some Terra Post magazines from the third incarnation, but none from the second. Also, I'm not aware of any miniatures officially produced for MFG 'Mech designs, and have never heard of the Snake-Eye or Nuke-EM before. Off the top of my head I can only think of the ''[[Linesman]]'' and the ''[[Sidewinder (OmniMech)|Sidewinder]]'', neither of which has a miniature.
:The CPLT-2K meanwhile is a standard, canonical ''Catapult'' variant from TRO:3025. Although extremely rare, it seems to be an extremely popular design in Germany and many German supporters of the upcoming HBS game discussed it on the HBS forum, putting this relatively obscure variant into the spotlight way more than it actually deserves from an in-universe viewpoint. The discussion turned out that the -K2, although mentioned in TRO:3025, was supposedly only produced from 3033 onwards according to the MUL which caused an outcry among the fans on the forum. Turns out CGL, after intense factchecking, had determined that available sources imply the -K2 variant had been completely extinct for a time until production resumed in the 3030s. Because of its populartiy, Todd "Sigil" Marshal put the German version into his ''[[Technical Readout: 3028]]'' as a different (if non-canonical) 'Mech. Fan research and lobbying later led to the MUL entry for the -K2 being corrected and its intro date changed. While this whole episode was apparently driven primarily by German fans, ultimately, the CPLT-K2 is a canonical variant. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 06:15, 8 June 2017 (EDT)
:: I really liked the K2 variant as well, that's why I bought the figure. I got these in about 1999/2000 so not sure if it was the last of MFG2 or the start of MFG3. I had to order them from the MFG website at the time. The Snake-Eye was not a great casting, poorly defined on the main body in my opinion. It had legs in the style of a Mad Cat but not a direct copy of the part. The small weapon pods for arms looked like the PPC housings at the end of a Marauders arm. I think it was a light 'Mech, perhaps 35tons. The Nuke-Em has a definite JagerMech feel to it, but is topped with the radar dish from the Rifleman IIc - so pretty ugly! lol. I never used this 'Mech it was a real piece of Fanon with nuclear armed weaponry (hence the name). I just bought it for the "wierd" value. The K2 basically had Warhammer PPCs turned upside-down in place of the missile pods. Unfortunately I appear to have lost the download of their record sheets over the years.  I have the sheets for the Sidewinder and the Lineman, they were published in MFUK Record Book 14.  -- [[User:Dark Jaguar|Dark Jaguar]] ([[User talk:Dark Jaguar|talk]]) 13:40, 8 June 2017 (EDT)

== Request Removal/Separation of [[Capellan Reserves]] from [[Capellan Defense Force]] ==
Hello. I looked at FM: Capellan Confederation and there is a clear conflict between p. 75 and p. 76. Page 75 says the CDF were the Capellan Reserves renamed after the 4th SW while Page 76 says it was made in 3060. I am going to go with Page 76 as there is no CDF in the 20 Year Update book or Historical:Brush War. Who do I talk to remove the Capellan Reserves stuff? Do I do it myself? [[User:Henryjones000|Henryjones000]] ([[User talk:Henryjones000|talk]]) 00:49, 17 June 2017 (EDT)
: Hi, My reading of those pages is that the Capellan Reserves as a whole were renamed the Capellan Defense Force after the 4th SW, but FM:CC does not give a date. However, it appears to have taken place several decades after the 4th SW as they are still listed as the Capellan Reserves and Stapleton's Grenadiers in Brush Wars page 88  (3030), 20 Year Update page 63 (3050), Objective Raids page 41 (3054). Certainly the CDF as the parent formation existed in 3057, with the individual regiments still retaining their names until 3060 when further reorganisation seems to have taken place under ''Xin Sheng''. Chaos March source book page 13 still lists Stapleton's Grenadiers in 3057 as well. 
:As for removal, it is Sarna policy to merge articles for units that change their name to the latest in game time-line name. These name changes should be clearly documented within the History text of the unit, and redirects set from the original name page. Here are some examples of this [[6th Wolf Guards (Clan Wolf-in-Exile)]], [[24th Scorpion Cuirassiers (Escorpión Imperio)]], [[331st Battle (Clan Wolverine)]]. Hope that helps {{emoticon|:)}} - [[User:Dark Jaguar|Dark Jaguar]] ([[User talk:Dark Jaguar|talk]]) 06:34, 17 June 2017 (EDT)
::Can you cite where the 3057 existence came from? If it is from that section in page 75 then it is suspect in my eyes. Page 76 clearly states that Stapleton's Grenadiers were renamed and reassigned to the CDF in 3060. [[User:Henryjones000|Henryjones000]] ([[User talk:Henryjones000|talk]]) 09:06, 17 June 2017 (EDT)
::: The Capellan Reserves were renamed the Capellan Defense Force by 3057 that is from FM:CC page 75. "The Defence Force did poorly in the Liao-Marik offensive of 3057..." is a clear indication that the name change had already happened for the parent organisation by that date. Stapleton's Grenadiers were renamed the 1st Capellan Defense Force in 3060 that is FM:CC page 76. The Grenadiers were still using that name in 3057 referenced in FM:CC page 76 and Chaos March page 13. I seems to me the military reform took a few years, with first the main formation being renamed before the individual regiments. - [[User:Dark Jaguar|Dark Jaguar]] ([[User talk:Dark Jaguar|talk]]) 09:25, 17 June 2017 (EDT)
:::: I disagree. "As Sun Tzu Liao's Xin Sheng decree penetrated the military, the Grenadiers received a new name and '''a new lease on life as the first regiment of the Capellan Defense Force'''." It seems clear from this statement that the Grenadiers were reassigned to the CDF AFTER 3057, in 3060. This is supported by the fact that the 2nd CDF was created in 3060 as well. It is far more logical to accept that the CDF was formed in 3060 as a response to Xin Sheng. Creating the Capellan Defense Force with two regiments in it at the same time certainly makes more sense than renaming the Capellan Reserves then wait a few YEARS to rename the lone unit.
:::: In my opinion the section in page 75 is a mistake. The fact that it contradicts 3 different books makes the whole section suspect.[[User:Henryjones000|Henryjones000]] ([[User talk:Henryjones000|talk]]) 10:34, 17 June 2017 (EDT)
::::: The Grenadiers are not reassigned to the CDF, the Capellan Reserves are simply renamed the CDF - it is  just a name change. Same as the Grenadiers are just renamed the 1st CDF regiment in 3060. The parent organisation and component regiments are two separate levels of formation that appear to have a name change at separate times. There are real life examples of Formations being renamed and then the component regiments/battalions changed later. I don't see page 75 of FM:CC as contradicting anything, but what other books do you think it contradicts? The "new lease of life" mentioned for the  Grenadiers is that they finally received new equipment that had been withheld for years. I'm sure a slightly ambiguous bit of writing in the page text could explain/gloss it over. But if you want a full explanation it might be a good idea to ask the writers in the BT forums. - [[User:Dark Jaguar|Dark Jaguar]] ([[User talk:Dark Jaguar|talk]]) 11:05, 17 June 2017 (EDT)
:::::: I've been reading through FM:CC, and the text is somewhat ambiguous - I'd prefer to see an official Ask The Writer ruling for it - but it's not necessarily in conflict with itself. The Capellan Defense Force was the precursor to the CCAF (p. 9) and didn't become the CCAF until Warex Liao's reforms during the Star League era (p. 10) so there's already a need for a clarifying article explaining what the original CDF was.
:::::: Page 75 is explicit that the Capellan Defense Force name was reinvoked in the aftermath of the Fourth Succession War, but it refers to the "Capellan reserve regiments" being renamed, not the "Capellan Reserve" or "Capellan Reserves". The text under the New Sagan Armor Auxiliary (p. 76) indicates that the armoured regiment performed well in the St. Ives Conflict - something mentioned more generally about the performance of the Capellan Defense Force on page 75. The text on the Second Capellan Defense Force on page 77 specifies that it was "raised in separate pieces, expanding several Home Guard units to include a battalion of MechWarriors each. In 3060 these units were pulled together and trained as a Defense Force regiment." It also notes that the 121st Urban Defense Detachment is one of the "rare Home Guard units to be sent into frontline combat" - which indicates that other Home Guard units have also been exposed to frontline combat.
:::::: TPTB have been explicit in stating that Force Listings and tables generally only show BattleMech regiments because those are what's significant, and we know from various sources that there are a lot of conventional forces out there on planets and within the militaries that aren't important enough to merit listing in things like Field Reports and Field Manuals. The entries mentioned above indicate that Home Guard formations - which implicitly didn't have 'Mech forces prior to them being assigned to them - were being expanded to generate forces, and that Home Guard forces fought during both the conflicts in question.
:::::: My thoughts on this are that the Capellan reserves were renamed to the Capellan Defense Force prior to 3060, but that the forces renamed were conventional forces - including Home Guard forces - which is why they don't appear in any of the force listings. The Capellan Defense Force became a notable formation when it incorporated significant 'Mech forces, in the form of the front-line Grenadiers, as well as the mustering of the Second CDF, which incorporated Home Guard formations. The Capellan Defense Force could then have existed prior to 3060 as a conventional unit formation, before becoming a significant brigade when the Grenadiers became the First CDF Regiment in 3060 and the Second CDF Regiment was formed. I know that this interpretation hinges in large part on the distinction between reserves and Reserves, but it seems to me that the two brigades/formations were running in parallel up until 3060, and the CDF simply wasn't significant enough to be listed anywhere because it was conventional forces only (or conventional with minimal 'Mech forces, in keeping with all those Clan Invasion-era militias that showed up in the Clan Wolf/Clan Jade Falcon/Invading Clans books when they were getting stomped, but which had never appeared before). Does that make sense? [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] ([[User talk:BrokenMnemonic|talk]]) 03:50, 26 June 2017 (EDT)
:::::::That makes sense, thank you for your input [[User:BrokenMnemonic|Broken]] {{emoticon|:)}} - [[User:Dark Jaguar|Dark Jaguar]] ([[User talk:Dark Jaguar|talk]]) 18:51, 26 June 2017 (EDT)
:::::::::Wow guys I think this guy needs to say a big thank you for putting inyour time and effort to read through the relavent source books to help him out. I would have just gone with the info on page 75. I think a [[File:DA.jpg|Direction Appreciated Award, 1st ribbon]] is in order for the pair of you. Help finding the correct information does count as an editing issue, right? [[User:Buzzard|Buzzard]] ([[User talk:Buzzard|talk]]) 12:01, 27 June 2017 (EDT)

== Hey ==

Hey, how do you get those "editor" and "project" awards at the top of your page? I don't see them anywhere. [[User:Buzzard|Buzzard]] ([[User talk:Buzzard|talk]]) 12:50, 20 June 2017 (EDT)
: Also what does "actions" mean on this page? [[Special:ActiveUsers]] Is it number of edits or pages looked at or just clicks on the website? [[User:Buzzard|Buzzard]] ([[User talk:Buzzard|talk]]) 13:23, 20 June 2017 (EDT)
::Those aren't awards so you won't find them on the awards page. They are Project bars for belonging to a particular Wiki-project, unfortunately most of these have fallen by the wayside it seems these days. You can still sign up though on the Project page. The editor bar is just that a little bit of fun really. They were made by one of the Admins [[User:Mbear|MBear]]. You can find them here - [[User:Mbear/MyImages]]. Just copy and paste. 
::The actions I believe are edits conducted over the last 30 days.  - [[User:Dark Jaguar|Dark Jaguar]] ([[User talk:Dark Jaguar|talk]]) 15:06, 20 June 2017 (EDT)
: Thanks for the help. I like those, looks good on my page :-)  Are you sure about the actions = edits thing? Because if so it says you have done 1000+ in the last 30 days! [[User:Buzzard|Buzzard]] ([[User talk:Buzzard|talk]]) 12:39, 26 June 2017 (EDT)
::Yeah, sounds about right. I hit 7500 on 11 June and am now on 8000 ...I've had a bit of time on my hands/avoiding other chores ! {{emoticon|:D}} - [[User:Dark Jaguar|Dark Jaguar]] ([[User talk:Dark Jaguar|talk]]) 18:56, 26 June 2017 (EDT)
: Seriously! Wow, you need to get a life! lol. No seriously ... you do (joking) that's quite a bit of hard work. Makes my 4 look a bit pityful! Looking at the awards I surprised you don't have a casual edit award by now, so have one on me [[File:CE.jpg|Casual Edit Award, 1st ribbon]]. Looking at the criteria for that award how can people with 1000's of edits on the user-score page not have loads? Have I missed something? [[User:Buzzard|Buzzard]] ([[User talk:Buzzard|talk]]) 12:01, 27 June 2017 (EDT)

==Images of individual spacecraft==
Please do not put generic images into articles about individual spacecraft. These articles should only show pictures specifically of the individual vessel in question, such as an image from a book or a photo of a miniature with an official paintjob (e. g. CamoSpecs). [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]])
:Okay fair enough I won't, but personally I think it gives the page a more professional look. - [[User:Dark Jaguar|Dark Jaguar]] ([[User talk:Dark Jaguar|talk]]) 16:05, 20 June 2017 (EDT)
::Oh I do understand that sentiment. I even agree to a degree. But technically it's false information when you pass off a generic image as an image of the specific ship in question. And Sarna has caught too much flak for those small errors in the past. Especially on the HBS forum Sarna content is often treated as gospel - it's kinda funny when people try to prove some point to me by citing my own poorly written Sarna texts from years ago... But it's never funny to have a genuine misinformation shoved in your face. That's why I am so nitpicky about the issue. Hope you don't mind. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 03:51, 21 June 2017 (EDT)
:::No worries, it's fine, I understand {{emoticon|:)}} - [[User:Dark Jaguar|Dark Jaguar]] ([[User talk:Dark Jaguar|talk]]) 13:04, 21 June 2017 (EDT)

== Ice Hellions ==

[[Image:Clan Ice Hellion.jpg|left|75px]]The Ice Hellion Touman, every Galaxy and Cluster, has been updated to 3074 and the end of the Clan. The only reference missing from a few units is anything from [[Operation Ice Storm (novel)]]. So if anyone has a copy please let me know any information, thanks. - [[User:Dark Jaguar|Dark Jaguar]] ([[User talk:Dark Jaguar|talk]]) 05:16, 25 June 2017 (EDT)

: I like the pictures  :) [[User:Buzzard|Buzzard]] ([[User talk:Buzzard|talk]]) 12:00, 11 August 2017 (EDT)

== Clan Coyote Touman ==

[[Image:Clan Coyote.jpg|left|75px]] The Clan Coyote Touman is now completely updated to 3085, including all Galaxies and Cluster pages. Please let me know if you think I missed something. - [[User:Dark Jaguar|Dark Jaguar]] ([[User talk:Dark Jaguar|talk]]) 08:05, 9 July 2017 (EDT)

:: That is a lot of work! You need to get out more lol [[User:Buzzard|Buzzard]] ([[User talk:Buzzard|talk]]) 12:01, 11 August 2017 (EDT)

== Spammers ==

Sitting here helplessly watching the spammers create their pointless pages, so frustrating! {{emoticon|:(}} - [[User:Dark Jaguar|Dark Jaguar]] ([[User talk:Dark Jaguar|talk]]) 18:15, 12 July 2017 (EDT)

== Phantom Posts ==

How odd! I looked at the [[Special:UserScore|User Score]] page and noticed that some inactive users edit post numbers have gone up without them having posted in months .... very odd - [[User:Dark Jaguar|Dark Jaguar]] ([[User talk:Dark Jaguar|talk]]) 11:26, 29 July 2017 (EDT)
: I'm curious: how did you detect the change?--[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 14:55, 29 July 2017 (EDT)
:: It was Doneve's score at top of the list that gave it away. It was an odd number before and then was rounded up to 91300. It's hard not to notice a score as large as that! {{emoticon|:)}} - [[User:Dark Jaguar|Dark Jaguar]] ([[User talk:Dark Jaguar|talk]]) 17:23, 29 July 2017 (EDT)
:::You're right...that is odd. His number always tends to catch the eye, too. --[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 12:57, 30 July 2017 (EDT)
::::His Count has gone down by 3 today, very odd! - [[User:Dark Jaguar|Dark Jaguar]] ([[User talk:Dark Jaguar|talk]]) 19:19, 11 August 2017 (EDT)

== Clan Fire Mandrill and Clan Steel Viper ==

Finished both Clan updates of their Toumans, to the date of their destruction. I seem to have a thing for dead Clans {{emoticon|:D}} - [[User:Dark Jaguar|Dark Jaguar]] ([[User talk:Dark Jaguar|talk]]) 12:54, 30 July 2017 (EDT)

== System Coordinates naming question ==

Dark Jaguar, I'm trying to get the band back together. Would you weigh in on [[BattleTechWiki_talk:System_coordinates#Re-engagement|this]], please? --[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 17:09, 2 August 2017 (EDT)
:Well I've got a full tank of gas, half a pack of cigarettes, it's dark out, and I'm wearing sunglasses .... hit it! - [[User:Dark Jaguar|Dark Jaguar]] ([[User talk:Dark Jaguar|talk]]) 13:59, 3 August 2017 (EDT)
:: Why am I suddenly thinking about effin' penguins?--[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 14:19, 3 August 2017 (EDT)
::: lol {{emoticon|:D}} - [[User:Dark Jaguar|Dark Jaguar]] ([[User talk:Dark Jaguar|talk]]) 15:29, 3 August 2017 (EDT)

== Image Categories ==

Hi Dark Jaguar,

Do you know how the system maps are generated? All those images don't have a category and this makes the [https://www.sarna.net/wiki/Special:UncategorizedFiles Uncategorized files] not very useful as from the first 1000 thousand maybe 95% images as these ones. And I do not want to put them in a category as this might affect the "program" that generates them. Do you know who can help? Maybe when the image is generated it can be put in a category like "System Images". I'm asking more people, but do you have any idea?--[[User:Pserratv|Pserratv]] ([[User talk:Pserratv|talk]]) 10:40, 10 March 2021 (EST)