User talk:BrokenMnemonic

Archive - 2012 - Factions, Project Planets, mapping, SLDF units
Archive - 2013 - Individual Ship work, Project Planets work, mapping, template work

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Good year

I wish you a good year party. I know we have some hours. Have some flowers and wishes in that case.--Doneve (talk) 00:55, 31 December 2013 (PST)

Hy Doneve! I hope you survive the New Year better than the picture on your user page I have a couple of friends coming around to celebrate the New Year and stay for a few days, which will be nice - although I couldn't resist adding the Soyal here before I do any more cleaning. And I want to add the Black Lion I too... I hope that you're going to have fun seeing the New Year in with friends and family? I'm going to be introducing my friends to the wonder that is Mozartkugeln today Here's hoping that 2014 is a good year for all of us. No getting sick on your part - that's an order. I know the nurses are pretty, but it's not worth it! BrokenMnemonic (talk) 01:49, 31 December 2013 (PST)

Thanks, yep we got a little party, and you know the Mozartkugeln came from the we called "Schluchten Scheisser" (Austria), have nice days with your family and friends.--04:36, 31 December 2013 (PST)

I know But I always used to buy them when I was going to the Army Wargames Association convention in Rheindalen... BrokenMnemonic (talk) 05:20, 31 December 2013 (PST)

Citations for Capellan Civil War

Do I need to add citations for the Background part?--Aldous (talk) 05:15, 31 December 2013 (PST)

Basically, yes - if an article states a fact, that fact should be cited to link back to the original canon statement supporting that fact. If an entire paragraph is drawn from a single source, it's ok to just put one citation at the end of each paragraph. The policy on refernces was tightened up a few years ago, but a lot of early material isn't correctly cited, or adds a text entry in the References section covering the article, but that doesn't work when articles draw in information from more than one source. Accurate references help confirm the validity of what's been said - and, on a personal note, there've been a few occasions where someone's been spouting on a forum about how something on Sarna was clearly made up by the fanboys who edit here, only for it to be pointed out that the issue in question has citations going back to a canon source that confirm what's been said. I've occasionally used the references in articles to try and shut down accusations on the Catalyst forums that stuff is made up, and there's also been at least one occasion (composition of Marian Hegemony infantry forces) where accusations that stuff was being made up here actually highlighted that canon itself had changed between sourcebooks.BrokenMnemonic (talk) 05:26, 31 December 2013 (PST)

Admiral Russell Nga

Excellent article on the Admiral Russell Nga, a rather obscure ship. I was looking at this ship myself, but your piece is better that what I would have written. So here is a Happy New Year award! (Its for the article really) --Dark Jaguar (talk) 13:22, 5 January 2014 (PST)

Thank you, that's very kind Fortunately, I'd used a lot of the same detail when working on the other ship articles, so I could pull the battle detail reasonable easily, although digging out the Kimagure class detail took a bit longer. I've possibly jumped the gun, as I've also asked a question over on the CGL forum over what ships fought at Priori and whether they escaped, but having just done the Surprise that redlink was bothering me! BrokenMnemonic (talk) 13:25, 5 January 2014 (PST)

You are very welcome! Yes, War of Reaving can be a little hard to follow in places, give you excellent detail one minute and then leave you dangling with unanswered questions the next --Dark Jaguar (talk) 13:32, 5 January 2014 (PST)

Sourcebook Search

Hello. I am looking for a Sourcebook where Sun Tzu Liao talked about Isis Marik after he broke off the engagement. It was first person, maybe from his journal/diary? I remember reading it but can't remember the name now. Any help is welcome.--Aldous (talk) 19:47, 5 January 2014 (PST)

Are you thinking of his comment after she was almost killed on Hustaing? Page 66 of The Killing Fields has Isis Marik saying ""Sun-Tzu don't do this. I can still be of use to you and your realm." followed by "Sun-Tzu turned away and reached to open the latch on the door." Your usefulness to my realm ended,"he said, low and cruel, "the day you made it off Hustaing alive." Or are you thinking of something later? BrokenMnemonic (talk) 23:57, 5 January 2014 (PST)

That line ("Your usefulness...") is quoted in Isis' internal monologue in Shadows of Faith (part 5, page 3) as well. Frabby (talk) 00:06, 6 January 2014 (PST)

Not that one. I was referring to the one after she left and Sun Tzu was thinking of her. It was from a sourcebook where they were quoting one of Sun Tzu's diaries or something. Like the one in p. 66 of Shattered Sphere. Damn old PDFs can't be searched.--Aldous (talk) 07:43, 6 January 2014 (PST)

I've been through the sourcebooks from the Civil War era, and I can't find anything in those. It's also not in the Interstellar Players series, or Masters and Minions. It was definitely in a sourcebook, I take it? It wasn't one of the novels, or something like the INN articles or a BattleCorps product? BrokenMnemonic (talk) 09:39, 6 January 2014 (PST)

Oh well... I am sure I will find it again eventually. Thanks anyway.--Aldous (talk) 09:52, 6 January 2014 (PST)

Category:Individual Convenant-class WarShips

Hey Broken, just wondering if there is a way to rename the page Category:Individual Convenant-class WarShips to have Convenant to be spelled Covenant instead, or does a new page need to be created with the old one being redirected to it? DerangedShadow (talk) 08:00, 6 January 2014 (PST)

Arg arg arg arg arg. Dratted typo. I'll fix it, thanks for pointing it out. That's what I get for rushing at work! BrokenMnemonic (talk) 09:01, 6 January 2014 (PST)

Ships to Write Up

• The Hunters
  • DCS Bisan - Achilles
  • Alkmarr - Invader
  • Buford - Star Lord
  • Bernlad - Star Lord
  • Cabot - not sure
  • Gettysburg - not sure
  • ISS Banbridge - Monolilth

• Field Report 2765: Draconis Combine

• Dev level errata: http://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php/topic,35369.msg855464.html#msg855464 - makeup of the Combine Admiralty fleet.

Need Help on Operation Guerrero's Second Wave

Hello. Do you know of any sourcebooks that details how many planets were taken by Liao in its second wave? How many waves did the CCAF do?--Aldous (talk) 05:11, 21 January 2014 (PST)

It's not really clear how many waves the CCAF launched, partly because so many of the combat actions were launched by mercenaries. The combats also dragged back and forth - with the various resistance movements causing havoc on some worlds but not successfully overthrowing the planetary government. Outside of the novels, the only books I'm aware of that deal with Guerrero consistently are Shattered Sphere (p. 68/69 and 74-76), Era Report: 3062 (p. 13-15 plus sidebar), Chaos March (p. 8), Handbook: House Liao (p. 57-58), the first two Mercenaries Supplementals, Field Manual: Mercenaries (Revised). I don't have electronic copies of Field Manual: Capellan Confederation and Field Manual: Federated Suns to search, but I suspect that there may be some detial in there as well; however, all of the various Merc Supplementals/Field Manuals have the information dotted around between the various unit articles, and I haven't found anything that confirms what was in the second wave and whether there was a third wave. Shattered Sphere has more detail than any, and that doesn't list which worlds were in which waves, unfortunately. It looks like there were at least three waves of attacks, two in one direction and one in another, plus the annexation of the Sarna Supremacy and the deployment of troops to at least three worlds where the government was overthrown by resistance forces. And Northwind. A lot of the sources don't list the months of the attacks, so I don't think there's anything that'll give a definitive list of the worlds even by comparing sources together. BrokenMnemonic (talk) 13:45, 21 January 2014 (PST)

Yeah. I have a pretty good idea which worlds were hit in the First Wave and some of the Second Wave but its mostly educated guesses and process of elimination. Frankly, there simply aren't enough CCAF and Mercs to do that 3-1 thing outside of the First Wave.--Aldous (talk) 16:04, 21 January 2014 (PST)

I have a feeling that if that claim was tested with the Writers, the answer might revolve around it being partly a generalism in the in-universe reporting, and partly based on dropping combinations of small, un-named mercenary units dropping onto worlds not listed as having any units of significance on them. plotting out on a map which worlds were taken in the waves we know about to see how that compares with the total number of worlds taken might given an idea of how far each wave extended and the likely identity of the un-named worlds taken in each wave, but that would largely be supposition unless we can find unit entries that say "involved in attacking Planet X as a part of the second wave of Guerrero attacks..." I think it's a little like the Word of Blake Protectorate, though - for all the information that's been published, a lot of planets look to have been incorporated into the Protectorate without being directly mentioned, only being obvious when maps from different years are compared. BrokenMnemonic (talk) 23:51, 21 January 2014 (PST)

Looking for Info on Hollis Inc. and the Huron Warrior

I remember reading somewhere that the Huron Warrior was manufactured by Hollis Inc. in pieces on several planets and just assembled by hand once the different parts were brought together. It wasn't until Corey was taken in 3057 that all the varied factory components were centralized in one location. That's why the MUL says the mech was introduced in 3055 with a Liao prototype made in 3051. Handbook: House Liao made mention of this on the Highlander. Anyway, do you know of any books that state this? I can't remember where I read it.--Aldous (talk) 18:52, 29 January 2014 (PST)

Nothing springs to mind, but I don't tend to remember much associated with 'Mechs past 3050. I'll take a look around and see what I can find, but because of the crazy currently going on at work it'll be Saturday or Sunday before I get a chance to do a proper search... BrokenMnemonic (talk) 00:07, 30 January 2014 (PST)

I found the information you searched for. The original Huron Warrior had the following weapons: 2 LRM 15 support by 4 Medium Lasers. And the Mech had a lower top speed as well because it had a weaker reactor. ref: FASA - 8619 - Technical Readout - The Future of Warfare p. 42 (The edition which contains the original unseen mechs from 3055 like the Jenner IIC). I hope that info helps you in some way. With best regards Neuling (talk) 11:23, 30 January 2014 (PST)

Thanks Neuling! BrokenMnemonic (talk) 12:38, 30 January 2014 (PST)

Any mention on the segregated factories? It would make Hollis unique in the Inner Sphere if its true.--Aldous (talk) 09:40, 31 January 2014 (PST)