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Line 152: ==Duplicate Names & Notability== ==Duplicate Names & Notability== − I recently expanded the article on [[Alexander Davion]] to cover the [[Reunification War]] period of his personal history. I have since looked at the many pages about him in ''[[Handbook: House Davion]]'' and blanched a little - I may leave the rest of his character bio for a while. I've hit a problem with him, though; the completist in me wants to get rid of the red links within Alexander's bio, most of which are spouses and children. The majority of Alexander's children have almost no backgound infor on them, but a number share names with later, more famous people. One of his sons is [[Roger Davion (26th c.)|Roger Davion]]. Roger died in a jumpship accident in [[2596]]. [[Roger Davion (27th c.)|Roger Davion]] is also the name of a 27th century [[First Prince]] of the [[Federated Suns]], which is where the link currently leads. After his sons [[Vincent Davion]] and Roger died in that jumpship accident in 2596, Alexander appointed his grandson, [[Ian Davion]] as regent, until Ian was assassinated in [[2599]]. Ian Davion shares a name with the later First Prince who died on [[Mallory's World]] and who was succeeded by the rather famous [[Hanse Davion]]. So, how to I go about naming articles for these various characters? It doesn't feel right to make the 31st century Ian Davion "Ian Davion II" simply because he's later, because I think it's fair to say he's the much more famous Ian, and he was actually First Prince. On the other hand, it doesn't make sense to change Alexander's grandson Ian to "Ian Davion II" because he was around 450 years earlier than the more famous namesake. So, what's the naming convention for articles for people with duplicate names from different eras and with different levels of notability? Should I simply create a long article entitled "children and grandchildren of Alexander Davion" and make each child or grandchild a sub-section, and link to that sub-section? Or is there already a defined convention I haven't found that can provide me with some enlightenment and direction? I'd be grateful for any advice. [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] 09:05, 6 December 2011 (UTC) + I recently expanded the article on [[Alexander Davion]] to cover the [[Reunification War]] period of his personal history. I have since looked at the many pages about him in ''[[Handbook: House Davion]]'' and blanched a little - I may leave the rest of his character bio for a while. I've hit a problem with him, though; the completist in me wants to get rid of the red links within Alexander's bio, most of which are spouses and children. The majority of Alexander's children have almost no backgound infor on them, but a number share names with later, more famous people. One of his sons is [[Roger Davion]]. Roger died in a jumpship accident in [[2596]]. [[Roger Davion]] is also the name of a 27th century [[First Prince]] of the [[Federated Suns]], which is where the link currently leads. After his sons [[Vincent Davion]] and Roger died in that jumpship accident in 2596, Alexander appointed his grandson, [[Ian Davion]] as regent, until Ian was assassinated in [[2599]]. Ian Davion shares a name with the later First Prince who died on [[Mallory's World]] and who was succeeded by the rather famous [[Hanse Davion]]. So, how to I go about naming articles for these various characters? It doesn't feel right to make the 31st century Ian Davion "Ian Davion II" simply because he's later, because I think it's fair to say he's the much more famous Ian, and he was actually First Prince. On the other hand, it doesn't make sense to change Alexander's grandson Ian to "Ian Davion II" because he was around 450 years earlier than the more famous namesake. So, what's the naming convention for articles for people with duplicate names from different eras and with different levels of notability? Should I simply create a long article entitled "children and grandchildren of Alexander Davion" and make each child or grandchild a sub-section, and link to that sub-section? Or is there already a defined convention I haven't found that can provide me with some enlightenment and direction? I'd be grateful for any advice. [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] 09:05, 6 December 2011 (UTC) : I will address the notability issue first. This is absolutely a relevant issue that has come up in every element we cover. Look at all the SLDF unit articles we have that are two sentences long. Or the "conventional unit" articles that are even shorter. If you think we don't have "minor" battlemechs, look up the Hollander II. If you think we don't have minor planets, look up [[Thomas]]. I have long advocated we need a policy to resolve this issue while at the same time attempting to write in-depth articles about characters no one else has even heard of. So you are preaching to the choir on all of that. : I will address the notability issue first. This is absolutely a relevant issue that has come up in every element we cover. Look at all the SLDF unit articles we have that are two sentences long. Or the "conventional unit" articles that are even shorter. If you think we don't have "minor" battlemechs, look up the Hollander II. If you think we don't have minor planets, look up [[Thomas]]. I have long advocated we need a policy to resolve this issue while at the same time attempting to write in-depth articles about characters no one else has even heard of. So you are preaching to the choir on all of that. : Now regarding the "multiple character" issue, this came up with me when I dealt with [[Richard Steiner]]. I keep intending to write a Janos Marik article that lists how many descendants (and false descenedants) were named Janos. Obviously, disambig articles may be needed, as will further conversation. But to answer your question, there seems to be no convention. [[User:ClanWolverine101|ClanWolverine101]] 15:55, 6 December 2011 (UTC) : Now regarding the "multiple character" issue, this came up with me when I dealt with [[Richard Steiner]]. I keep intending to write a Janos Marik article that lists how many descendants (and false descenedants) were named Janos. Obviously, disambig articles may be needed, as will further conversation. But to answer your question, there seems to be no convention. [[User:ClanWolverine101|ClanWolverine101]] 15:55, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
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| − | I recently expanded the article on [[Alexander Davion]] to cover the [[Reunification War]] period of his personal history. I have since looked at the many pages about him in ''[[Handbook: House Davion]]'' and blanched a little - I may leave the rest of his character bio for a while. I've hit a problem with him, though; the completist in me wants to get rid of the red links within Alexander's bio, most of which are spouses and children. The majority of Alexander's children have almost no backgound infor on them, but a number share names with later, more famous people. One of his sons is [[ | + | I recently expanded the article on [[Alexander Davion]] to cover the [[Reunification War]] period of his personal history. I have since looked at the many pages about him in ''[[Handbook: House Davion]]'' and blanched a little - I may leave the rest of his character bio for a while. I've hit a problem with him, though; the completist in me wants to get rid of the red links within Alexander's bio, most of which are spouses and children. The majority of Alexander's children have almost no backgound infor on them, but a number share names with later, more famous people. One of his sons is [[Roger Davion]]. Roger died in a jumpship accident in [[2596]]. [[Roger Davion]] is also the name of a 27th century [[First Prince]] of the [[Federated Suns]], which is where the link currently leads. After his sons [[Vincent Davion]] and Roger died in that jumpship accident in 2596, Alexander appointed his grandson, [[Ian Davion]] as regent, until Ian was assassinated in [[2599]]. Ian Davion shares a name with the later First Prince who died on [[Mallory's World]] and who was succeeded by the rather famous [[Hanse Davion]]. So, how to I go about naming articles for these various characters? It doesn't feel right to make the 31st century Ian Davion "Ian Davion II" simply because he's later, because I think it's fair to say he's the much more famous Ian, and he was actually First Prince. On the other hand, it doesn't make sense to change Alexander's grandson Ian to "Ian Davion II" because he was around 450 years earlier than the more famous namesake. So, what's the naming convention for articles for people with duplicate names from different eras and with different levels of notability? Should I simply create a long article entitled "children and grandchildren of Alexander Davion" and make each child or grandchild a sub-section, and link to that sub-section? Or is there already a defined convention I haven't found that can provide me with some enlightenment and direction? I'd be grateful for any advice. [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] 09:05, 6 December 2011 (UTC) |
: I will address the notability issue first. This is absolutely a relevant issue that has come up in every element we cover. Look at all the SLDF unit articles we have that are two sentences long. Or the "conventional unit" articles that are even shorter. If you think we don't have "minor" battlemechs, look up the Hollander II. If you think we don't have minor planets, look up [[Thomas]]. I have long advocated we need a policy to resolve this issue while at the same time attempting to write in-depth articles about characters no one else has even heard of. So you are preaching to the choir on all of that. | : I will address the notability issue first. This is absolutely a relevant issue that has come up in every element we cover. Look at all the SLDF unit articles we have that are two sentences long. Or the "conventional unit" articles that are even shorter. If you think we don't have "minor" battlemechs, look up the Hollander II. If you think we don't have minor planets, look up [[Thomas]]. I have long advocated we need a policy to resolve this issue while at the same time attempting to write in-depth articles about characters no one else has even heard of. So you are preaching to the choir on all of that. | ||
: Now regarding the "multiple character" issue, this came up with me when I dealt with [[Richard Steiner]]. I keep intending to write a Janos Marik article that lists how many descendants (and false descenedants) were named Janos. Obviously, disambig articles may be needed, as will further conversation. But to answer your question, there seems to be no convention. [[User:ClanWolverine101|ClanWolverine101]] 15:55, 6 December 2011 (UTC) | : Now regarding the "multiple character" issue, this came up with me when I dealt with [[Richard Steiner]]. I keep intending to write a Janos Marik article that lists how many descendants (and false descenedants) were named Janos. Obviously, disambig articles may be needed, as will further conversation. But to answer your question, there seems to be no convention. [[User:ClanWolverine101|ClanWolverine101]] 15:55, 6 December 2011 (UTC) | ||