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{{Welcome|BrokenMnemonic|ed}}
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[[User talk:BrokenMnemonic/2012 Archive|Archive - 2012]] - Factions, Project Planets, mapping, SLDF units<br>
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[[User talk:BrokenMnemonic/2013 Archive|Archive - 2013]] - Individual Ship work, Project Planets work, mapping, template work<br>
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[[User talk:BrokenMnemonic/2014 Archive|Archive - 2014]] - Sources needing updates, sourcebook searches, ships needing articles, new infoboxes<br>
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[[User talk:BrokenMnemonic/2015-7_Archive|Archive - 2015-17]]
  
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==Hy==
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Hy BrokenMnemonic, welcome to sarna.net, you can move your most of your New User Log discription to your own User page, and leave a minor description on the New User Log page.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 12:34, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
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{{Welcome|BrokenMnemonic|Ed}}
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== Leftover To-do List ==
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=== Ships to Write Up ===
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* ''[[House Davion (The Federated Suns)]]''
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** NAS ''Hopewell'', launched 2293, first home-built freighter christened in New Avalon, built alongside three other ships by Davion-owned plant
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** Jump Courier ''Jason Hasek''
  
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== Welcome, BrokenMnemonic ==
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* ''[[The Hunters]]''
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** [[Bisan|DCS ''Bisan'']] - ''[[Achilles (DropShip class)|Achilles]]''
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** ''[[Alkmarr]]'' - ''[[Invader]]''
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** ''[[Buford]]'' - ''[[Star Lord (JumpShip class)|Star Lord]]''
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** ''[[Bernlad (Star Lord)|Bernlad]]'' - ''Star Lord''
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** ''Cabot'' - not sure
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** ''Gettysburg'' - not sure
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** ''[[Banbridge|ISS ''Banbridge'']]'' - ''Monolilth''
  
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I just read your New User log entry and it seems you're a great example of our target audience. I really appreciate that you want to 'give back' to the community what it provides and using what ever skills interest you do just that. Trust me: minor edits are no small added value to a wiki. In fact, I'd say that's probably how many people get there start, as they learn how a wiki works.  
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* ''[[Field Report 2765: Draconis Combine]]''
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:* Dev level errata: http://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php/topic,35369.msg855464.html#msg855464 - makeup of the Combine Admiralty fleet.
  
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Additionally, registering (vice editing as an IP) is more than us getting our grips around you, much more. Now you get credit for your deeds, as well as the opportunity for award ribbons and more open discussions with the other members of the community here. We're glad to put a name to a face. Welcome!--[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 13:53, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
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* ''[[Handbook: House Kurita]]''
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** Battleships ''Kumamoto'', ''Shizuoka'', carrier ''Seoul'' (p. 38)
  
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== Substantial Addition award ==
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* ''[[Interstellar Operations]]'' Beta
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** ''League''-class ''Talwar'', ''Turk'', ''Tyberium'' - p. 228-ish
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** ''Aegis''-class ''Manaslu'' - p. 228 ish
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** Dropship ''Vidar Eisenboot'' - p. 303
  
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Good morning, BrokenMnemonic. Still way too early for you to get your Time-In-Service (TIS) and Edit Count (EC) ribbons, but I did see the value you added to [[Always Faithful‎]], which definitely deserves recognition:
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* ''[[First Succession War (sourcebook)]]''
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:[[File:SubAdd.jpg|Substantial Addition Award]]
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** WarShips
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I don't give these out too often, but this is the 2nd one today. I added an awards board to your user page as well, so be sure to add your TIS and EC [[BattleTechWiki:Awards#Automatic_Awards|ribbons]], when the time comes. Good job. --[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 14:31, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
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*** <strike>DCS ''Honor of Pesht'' p. 7
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:Wow, thank you :) I've not finished editing the [[Always Faithful]] page though, because there's detail from the [[20 Year Update]] and I think the [[Field Manual: Free Worlds League]] that needs incorporating, and I've not checked my [[NAIS The Fourth Succession War Military Atlas Volume 1|4th Succession War Atlases]] to confirm what they were up to then - should the award wait until I've finished the main edit? I'd not want to step on any toes. I'm delighted to be able to help! [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] 17:18, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
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*** ''Manaslu'' - Aegis, p. 18
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::No need to wait! [[BattleTechWiki:Awards#Editors.27_Awards|Editor Awards]] can be given out by anyone seeing something positive being done (or just completed) and ''should'' be given out then. No nomination process is necessary (and ''you'' can give them out, too). Now, if someone else awards you for the same effort, you have the option of declining the award; just let them know why.--[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 17:34, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
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*** ''Caledonia'', ''Donegal'', ''Furillo'' - Commonwealths, p. 19
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:Saw your summary note: it's more than ok. Both the TIS and EC ribbons are automatic awards, as there is no real way for other editors to ensure people get them; its left up to you, the individual. Good job.--[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 10:30, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
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*** ''Odessa'', ''Porrima'' - Commonwealths, p. 29
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*** ''Aurelius'', ''Nerva'', ''Vespasian'', ''Vitellius'' - Makos, p. 19
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*** ''Talwar'', ''Turk'', ''Tyberium'' - Leagues, p. 19
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*** ''Francisco'' - Vincent, p. 29
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*** ''Midale'' - New Syrtis, p. 38
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*** ''Reynard Davion'', ''Samuel Davion'' - Davions, p. 38
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*** ''Firewind'' - Narukami, p. 38
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*** ''Hagiwawa'' - Samarkand, p. 38
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*** ''New Ivaarsen'' - Robinson, p. 39
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*** ''Minekaze'', ''Shiokaze'' - Lola I, p. 40
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*** ''Liverpool'' - Carrack, p. 40
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*** ''Robespierre'' - Vincent, p. 40
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*** ''Duke Henry'', ''Edmund Davion'' - Davion II, p. 40
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*** ''Omodaka'' - Narukami II, p. 41
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*** ''Halland'', ''Stockholm'' - Congress, p. 42
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*** ''Benjamin'', ''An Ting'' - Samarkand I, p. 42
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*** ''Tsutsuji'' - Narukami, p. 42
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*** ''Mizuki'', ''Kiaria'' - Lola, p. 42
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*** ''Novaya Zemlya'' - New Syrtis, p. 42
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*** ''Sabretooth'' - Aegis, p. 42
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*** ''Mercury'', ''Neptune'' - Vincent, p. 42
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*** ''Sahand'' - Sovetskii Soyuz, p. 42</strike>
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*** ''Black Bear'' p. 43
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*** ''Galedon'' - Samarkand, p. 46
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*** <strike>''Impregnable'', ''Indomitable'' - Tharkads, p. 46
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*** ''Bladewind'', ''Star Spirit'' - Narukami, p. 47
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*** ''Nightwind'' - Potemkin, p. 47
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*** ''Blue Lotus'' - Naga, p. 47
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*** ''Coventry'' - Tharkad, p. 48
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*** ''Gallery'', ''York'' - Commonwealths, p. 48
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*** ''Radstadt'' - Samarkand, p. 48
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*** ''Akiko'', ''Maji'' - Lolas, p. 48
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*** ''Anthemius'', ''Heraclius'' - Mako, p. 48
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*** LCS ''Ironwood'' - Aegis, p. 48
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*** DCS ''Jarett'', ''Sawyer'' - Essex, p. 48
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*** ''Agrippa'', ''Sorunda'' - Atreus, p. 54
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*** ''Mica Liao'' - Du Shi Wang, p. 54
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*** ''Solstice'' - Soyal, p. 54
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*** ''Ospina'', ''Otavalo'' - League IIs, p. 54
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*** ''Agrippa'' (again) - Atreus, p. 56
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*** ''Oràn'', ''Ocuri'' - League II, p. 56
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*** ''Samhain'' - Vigilant, p. 56
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*** ''Tianjin'' - Congress, p. 56
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*** ''Ragusa'' - battleship, p 56
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*** ''Minsck'', ''Warsaw'' - Lolas, p. 56
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*** ''Zulfiqar'' - Black Lion, p. 56
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*** ''Ai Di'' - Essex, p. 56
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*** ''Vladislav'' - Vincent, p. 56
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*** ''Khalzan'' - Lola III or Essex, p. 56
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*** ''Kumbha'', ''Mithuna'' - Soyals, p. 57
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*** ''Chronos'' - Samarkand, p. 57
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*** ''Kanata'', ''Majestic'' - Atreus, p. 58
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*** ''Andria'', ''Avellin'' - Leagues, p. 58</strike>
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*** ''Sundermann Liao'' - Du Shi Wang, p. 60
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*** <strike>''Calseraigne'' - Essex, p. 60
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*** ''Pleiades'' - Aegis, p. 60
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*** ''Changsha'', ''Mount Song'' - Barons, p. 60
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*** ''Vrishabha'' - Soyal, p. 60
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*** ''Bucharest'' - Lola III, p. 63
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*** ''Granite'', ''Endeavor'' - Aegis, p. 63
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*** ''Devastator'', ''Skulker'' - Soyals, p. 63
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*** ''Rasalas'' - Cameron, p. 66
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*** ''Hadrian'', - Mako, p. 68
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*** ''Potsdam'', ''Ulm'' - Vincent Mk. 39, p. 68
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*** ''Constantius'' - Mako, p. 69
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*** ''Histria Azure'' - Carrack, p. 75
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*** ''Histria Azure'' (again), ''Pretoria Castle'' - Carracks, p. 76
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*** ''Edelweiss'' - Essex, p. 76
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*** ''Ineffable'', ''Chaffee'' - Tharkads, p. 78
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*** ''Despiser'' - Essex, p. 79</strike>
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*** ''Duncan Liao'' - Du Shi Wang, p. 83-84
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*** <strike>''Bismarck'' - Atreus, p. 85
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*** ''Karka'', ''Makara'' - Soyals, p. 85
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*** ''Starlight Raider'' - Congress-D, p. 94
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*** ''New Samarkand'' - Samarkand II, p. 94
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*** ''Shōwakusei'' - Narukami II, p. 94
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*** ''Duke Alexander'', ''Sarah Davion'' - Davion II, p. 95
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*** ''Marlette'' - Robinson, p. 96
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*** ''Eos'' - Aegis, p. 96
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*** ''Parin'' - Concordat, p. 101</strike>
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** JumpShips
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*** ''Lucian Bell'' p. 18
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*** ''Michael Rose'' - Monolith, p. 46
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* ''[[Touring the Stars: McEvedy's Folly]]''
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** ''Galapagos'' - "terraforming vessel"
  
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==Year Pages==
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== Lance Packs ==
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Hy, please take a look on [[Policy:Year Pages]], great work on Crater Cobras.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 13:11, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
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<pre>Box Set / Lance Pack
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:Whoops, my apologies for breaching the policy on year pages - I've read through the policy and will stick to it in future.[[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] 13:15, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
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==Casual Edit award==
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COM-2D Commando
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I'm well impressed and quite happy with the work you're doing here. As an incentive to continue to improve articles, have a Casual Edit award:<br />[[File:CE.jpg|Casual Edit Award, 1st ribbon]] [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] 14:39, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
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SDR-5V Spider      * Recon
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:Thank you! That's very cool :) I saw a few of your posts on the CBT forum regarding editing on the wiki, which is one of the things that persuaded me to wander over and start poking things... [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] 16:25, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
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JR7-D Jenner      * Pursuit
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PNT-9R Panther    * Striker
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ASN-21 Assassin
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CDA-2A Cicada      * Recon
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CLNT-2-3T Clint    * Pursuit
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HER-2S Hermes II
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WTH-1 Whitworth
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VND-1R Vindicator  * Support
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ENF-4R Enforcer
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HBK-4G Hunchback
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TBT-5N Trebuchet  * Fire
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DV-6M Dervish      * Fire
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DRG-1N Dragon      * Striker
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QKD-4G Quickdraw  * Striker
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CPLT-C1 Catapult  * Command
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JM6-S JagerMech
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GHR-5H Grasshopper * Assault
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AWS-8Q Awesome    * Support
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ZEU-6S Zeus        * Battle
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CP-10-Z Cyclops    * Command
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BNC-3E Banshee    * Battle
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AS7-D Atlas        * Assault
  
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==Hy==
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Lance Pack Only
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Hy please dont delete added references and infoboxes, when you have not the sourcebooks, leave a note on the target page, i double check the references and talk then to you, thanks.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 10:37, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
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:That was a complete mistake, I'm afraid; I was editing just the History section, and between previews the wiki announced that the session data had been lost and I should refresh the revision. I did that, saved it, and discovered that I'd somehow gone from editing '''just''' the History section to apparently editing the entire page!  I undid the revision ASAP, and replaced it with the correct version. I'm still not sure exactly what happened, but it's made me a little paranoid. [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] 10:42, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
 
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::Not a big think, keep cool, the data is saved.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 10:47, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
 
  
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== Unknown Planet ==
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Blackjack          * Assault
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Victor            * Assault
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Centurion          * Pursuit
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Wolfhound          * Pursuit
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Charger            * Support
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Firestarter        * Support
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Hatchetman        * Battle
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Orion              * Battle
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Flea              * Recon
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Vulcan            * Recon
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Cataphract        * Command
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Raven              * Command
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Shogun            * Fire
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Stalker            * Fire
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Guillotine        * Striker
  
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Okay, let's talk thru this, to see if we understand things the same way. On [[Tyrrhenia]], you provided cites for the Unknown Planet entries. In your own words, what information did you provide there? What does that source information tell you about the planet?--[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 16:27, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
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Box Set Only
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:The citations show that according to the maps of the region cited at that date in time, the planets didn't exist as colonies, so that if in the future someone searches for planets in the Taurian Concordat, they can be excluded when refining the search by date. It also shows for those looking to try and work out when planets were likely to be settled (where we don't have precise dates) which sources at least confirm the planet wasn't settled at that point in time. [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] 16:31, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
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::Okay, that was roughly what I thought, too. Do you think "Unknown Planet" is the best term to put there? I don't know what "unknown planet" means. Let's see if I can keep from being too confusing here:
 
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::We can definitely presume that a planet's absence from the maps indicates it was as yet unsettled (or not officially known to be settled, by the map's creators, in this case ComStar Cartographic Corps). What we absolutely know ''for a fact'' is that it is ''not'' on the map.
 
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::We have four paths to choose from: ignore the map since it doesn't mention the planet, indicate it was not settled (which may not be the case), indicate it was not reported to be settled or indicate it was not represented on the map. I think the fact we have a source (the map) available that covers the area of concern (to include the area around Tyrrhenia) is something we need to use, so I vote 'no' on option 1. CGL may very well release a map anytime in the future that represents a period of time before the current map that does depict the planet, which means this map simply didn't have the planet, not that it was or was not unsettled (though I find that unlikely).
 
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::What we really want to say here is not that the planet was undiscovered, or even unsettled, but that no records of it exist at the times of the map's depictions. Is that right?
 
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::Note: the page number for the first entry appears to be wrong. I see maps for 3040 & 3067, not the three that are currently indicated.
 
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:::The first citation is wrong; sorry about that, I changed the text, but forgot to change the page number in the description (although I did change it in the reference code, which is odd). Slip of the brain, I think.
 
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:::I grabbed the phrase "Uknown Planet" from the existing entries from worlds up in the [[Rim Collection]], and I'll admit I hadn't thought about it much beyond checking to see what was already in use. I asked about planets not appearing on maps on the CBT forum as a part of a question on the missing OA Star League-era worlds, and the answer Cray sent me was this:
 
  
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::::According to MW3 RPG, the OA lost 3/4 of its worlds during the Succession Wars. That was the driver behind the OA's losses in the HB:MPS. Oystein's total estimates (and I might be misremembering a very old discussion) for Succession War losses are 750: 250 Inner Sphere, 500 Periphery.
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Commando
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::::However, there's a difference between the two regions: Inner Sphere maps show inhabited planets. If it ain't inhabited, it ain't listed. So when a planet leaves the map, it's dead. The Inner Sphere blew 10% of its planets off the map (or let them die through failed technology.) Periphery maps, OTOH, mostly show the noteworthy planets. Humanity's population doesn't stop at a rigid wall of the Inner Sphere - it diffused across it and there's no particular dearth of habitable planets in the Periphery - so there should be many inhabited planets along the Inner Sphere's flanks that never earned a mention in any maps.
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::::But for planets that left Periphery maps that could mean either they simply left a major faction, or it could mean they died. In the case of the hostile planets settled by the Star League in the Rim Worlds (nominally Rim Worlds, they were pretty much Hegemony planets, per JHS:Terra) those mostly died without advanced technology. What happened to the OA "lost worlds" has not been published.
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Hermes II
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Whitworth
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Enforcer
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Hunchback
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JagerMech</pre>
  
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:::So, CGL have already established that Periphery worlds can "drop off the map" through no longer being significant/noteworthy, and in theory then reappear later. Cray also said this about realms appearing out of the blue that hadn't been in past publications:
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=="Type" in WarShip Article Infoboxes==
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Hi BM, I noticed that you put "battlecruiser", "destroyer" and the like into the Type field of the WarShip infobox in your recent articles. While not technically wrong, it still surprised me as we previously simply put "WarShip" there (which is the type opposing JumpShips, DropShips, Small Craft and Space Stations). Given how arbitrary the [[WarShip classification]]s are to begin with, I feel a bit uncomfortable with using them in the infobox.
  
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::::The Magistracy also represents a grand-scale "poof! there it is!" nation. It was formed in the 2500s out of existing colonies that banded together against Inner Sphere aggression. You won't see those planets on earlier maps.
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Also, I think you're working from an outdated template article that doesn't have the infoboxes' "servicesince" & "serviceuntil" fields. Whenever a ship is mentioned to have been destroyed or scuttled, feel free to use the "serviceuntil" field in the infobox to indicate when it was put out of service one way or another. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 12:15, 24 January 2018 (EST)
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:Hi Frabby,
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:This is me making a mistake while tired, I'm afraid. I went on a fairly rambling update cycle after checking the update needed tags, seeing that the Atreus-class battleship article had a notice, and starting to work on the individual WarShips. One of them didn't have a class named, and at some point between that article and the next, when I was adding each new one I started changing WarShip to the class type.
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:You're right about the template being outdated - I grabbed it from an existing article, and didn't spot just how out of date it was. I think I've fixed all the articles I'd written, though. [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] ([[User talk:BrokenMnemonic|talk]]) 05:53, 25 January 2018 (EST)
  
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:::So, in the Periphery we have: genuinely uninhabited/undiscovered worlds, worlds not noteworthy enough to appear on the map, worlds that willingly drop off the map, worlds ComStar discovered but chose not to reveal... basically, one huge mess. I've already hit conflicts with the Calderon Protectorate worlds, because there are worlds like [[Belle Isle]] that I can't find on any of the maps in sourcebooks I have, but which have been added to the wiki and which have co-ordinates - and in some cases, are even mentioned in the text in HB:MPS, which is seriously frustrating.
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== Vandal Cop Reloaded ==
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:::We need something that says "either no records exist at the time of this maps compilation, or the world was not considered noteworthy enough to be recorded." Although we also probably need a "dead world" category, for those worlds confirmed as haivng been wiped out.
 
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:::Maybe we need a Wiki-specific setting rather than an in-universe one - something like "undefined" or "absent"? [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] 17:27, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
 
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::::First off, great read above. I'll be re-reading what you've provided when I get home tonight.
 
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::::Second, I didn't mean to imply you chose 'Unknown Planet'. I should have been more clear that I was seeking conversation (which resulted, in any case) on ways to improve the entry, so that it actually means something.
 
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::::So, it looks like we have a near-match for a conclusion as to defining the problem with the way Owner History is currently established. 'Unknown Planet' doesn't provide any information, while "undefined" or "absent" might be a better fit. How about "No Record"? Even when cited (as you've done with their absence from the cited maps), you're providing historical data to a specific date, indicating "no record" existed at that time. What do you think? --[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 18:24, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
 
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:::::My apologies, I didn't mean to sound defensive :) I'm just used to citing sources and references when I'm compiling information. I'm more than happy to go with "No Record" - that leaves us with wiggle room to play with if CGL add more worlds in. I asked Herb on the CBT forum about whether or not any of the missing Outworlds Alliance worlds from 2750 might still exist as independent worlds and simply not show up on the map, and he said that the majority of the worlds in the Periphery that vanished simply died out, but that some will still be inhabited, even if they're bleak hell-holes with low population - you can see his response here: [http://www.classicbattletech.com/forums/index.php/topic,8194.0.html]
 
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:::::As an aside, if the main purpose of the planetary reference pages isn't going to be the breakdown of nearby neighbours and jump distances, would it be ok for me to start adding in dead/absent worlds from the Star League era? They'll mainly be isolated entries because they don't have co-ordinates, so they won't show up on mini-maps, but it does mean they'll have entries if needed for future use, and if someone's looking for a particular world they will at least find an entry. [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] 18:31, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
 
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::::::Of course, add away. And the citations for 'No Record' entries will be valuable. Thanks for taking cites so seriously. (Off for a few hours.)--[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 18:46, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
 
  
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==Award==
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BrokenMnemonic, I see that you've taken some serious steps in the past day and week to handle spambots. Thanks! Please add this  [[File:VC 2sol.jpg|Vandal Cop Award, 6th ribbon]] to your awards board.--[[User:Mbear|Mbear]]<sup>([[User_talk:Mbear|talk]])</sup> 06:45, 6 February 2018 (EST)
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Hy, have your first [[File:AP.jpg|All Purpose Award, 1st ribbon]], for your great efforts in the planets section, keep up your good work.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 14:20, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
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: Thank you - sorry I didn't reply earlier, but I've been ill for the last week or so. Frabby's doing most of the heavy lifting on spammers these days, but there seem to be a few hours in the morning most days where I'm the only mod around and the spammers decide to try and be cheeky... [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] ([[User talk:BrokenMnemonic|talk]]) 03:04, 12 February 2018 (EST)
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:Thank you, that's very cool :) It looks like I've hit 500 edits today as well - a good day on several accounts. I've just finished updating all of the [[Outworlds Alliance]] worlds, so I should probably do some housework before I start on the next Periphery realm! [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] 17:00, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
 
  
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== Research Gallery ==
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== 30K ==
  
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As mentioned in my latest response on [[BattleTechWiki talk:Planet Article Overhaul/Archive‎‎ ]]: what if we had a series of galleries (on one page) of maps in chronological order? A person researching a planet's owner history for the overhaul could open the relevant maps in order, and record the changes, much as you've done. It differs from your experience, in that you've looked at a map and made the changes to the relevant planets, while a project member in this case will choose a planet (say [[Sarna]]) and then go to the appropriate region gallery (say Capellan Confederation) on the maps page and open up each map listed chonologically there, recording when Sarna fell in (or out) of the CapCom's dominion. <br>
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Hi, I just noticed you hit the 30,000 edits mark. If that doesn't deserve a [[File:CE 1sc.jpg|Casual Edit Award, 9th ribbon]] then I'm not sure what does. Only a few more to catch Doneve {{Emoticon| ;) }} - [[User:Dark Jaguar|Dark Jaguar]] ([[User talk:Dark Jaguar|talk]]) 14:47, 30 March 2018 (EDT)
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I found [[:Category:Maps Gallery]], with 153 maps already, bit it is a category and not a gallery page. I could start using these to show you what I mean, and then as you upload your mini-maps and other complete maps, we could add them to the gallery page.<br>
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I'm not sure anyone will ever catch up with Doneve, but I'm cool with that {{Emoticon| ;) }} Thank you for the award - I seem to have slowed down since my job changed in April, but I plan to keep plugging away. [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] ([[User talk:BrokenMnemonic|talk]]) 16:12, 23 April 2018 (EDT)
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I'll start building a demo for you. "I'll be back."--[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 15:04, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
 
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:[[User:Revanche/Demo Gallery|Demo Gallery]]: great timing on Doneve's part (he uploaded these only 4 days ago). Now, they aren't high enough resolution for this project, but it demonstrates well what I'm envisioning; you're editing the article on [[Ling]], so you identify its location on the 2366 image, but notice it's missing from the 2571 image. So, you scroll down to the Free Worlds League gallery and look for an image dated after 2366 to see when it was depicted as being acquired by the FWL.
 
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:It means you and I have a lot of hi-res maps to upload, but I think its critical to fixing Owner History. Thoughts?--[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 15:18, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
 
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::I think that's entirely doable (although I'm having some trouble with my copy of HB:HD). One of the advantages the PDF housebooks have is that they're searchable, and as the planet names are a text layer over an image, they stay readable at a lot of resolutions. Static images won't be text searchable here, but they will give those without access to the maps themselves a way of helping.
 
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::How heavily modified does an image/map taken from a sourcebook have to be to qualify for fair use? There are good reasons for uploading complete maps in some cases; the example I'm thinking of is that HB:MPS has no maps for the end of the 1st/2nd Succession Wars, whereas HB:HD and HB:HL do - so I've been updating the Concordat worlds using the information from the edges of the FedSuns/Capellan maps.
 
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::I'll have a play tonight and see what I can do from home. Thanks for the notes on uploading images, btw! I'll get some images resized and uploaded imminently. --[[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] 16:40, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
 
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:::From [[Policy:Images]], 'fair use' is met when the image is relevant to an article. My first take on that was the image must be used in the article, meaning your mini-maps, however modified, would be covered by their use in the article's infobox. On second thought, that should also apply to the ones that exist in the Research gallery. We may have to delete the maps that are not used in any articles following the project's conclusion, but I don't foresee any issues, as long as the source is out of [[Policy:Moratorium|moratorium]].
 
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:::Also, reading thru the image policy, those notes I provided on uploading files should also mention that anytime an image is modified from the original (i.e., you crop it or add to it), the summary line should mention that it has been modified. You could even add "(modified)" after the source material: "''Handbook: Liao'', p. 47, "Beer Run Raid!" (modified)"--[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 17:18, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
 
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::::I've had a play around and put together the following image. Is it at sufficient quality for the idea you had envisioned? I can make them at higher quality but the file size goes up dramatically, and I have a couple of concerns about moving the files around at that size. I can reduce the file dimensions, but the text starts to "fuzz up" as the image size reduces. I'm not sure how to embed thumbnails so I've gone for a file embed, I hope that's ok.
 
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::::Direct link: [[:File:MarHeg_3055.jpg]] -- [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] 10:06, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
 
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:::::Three ways to test it: 1) within an infobox (the eventual primary place it will be seen) (ex: [[Asgard]]), 2) clicking the file page & 3) clicking on the file.
 
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:::::Now, ignoring the fact that Asgard is apparently in the quadrant diagonal from the representative image, the dots are clearly too small to determine where Asgard is on this map. However, the map is far enough out to know exactly what part of space it lies in. So, suvvess on that note.
 
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:::::Now, on the file page, it is ''just'' within reading tolerance by my contact-assisted eyes, a standard distance from the screen. Obviously, not ideal for some readers but if I were expected to find it on the map, I think I could. I'm presuming I'm average, in that respect.
 
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:::::Clicking on the file itself...whoa!!! (Like this play-by-play perspective?) That is huge. If the screen resizes, the words are way too fuzzy to read, strangely enough since the image is actually large than the file page's view, but the original graphic is way too large to be informative, especially since I have no idea where on the image the target graphic resides.
 
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:::::So, if I understand you correctly, if you import a smaller file, the text gets too fuzzy to read. If we accept that limitation at the article page's thumbnail, is it also true on the file page?
 
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:::::(Note: take a look at the code I used here to create a thumbnail (with hover caption)):[[Image:MarHeg_3055.jpg|Marisa Tomei lives here|right|225px]]
 
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:::::(Another Note: please revert [[Asgard]]'s image, when you're done with the demo.)--[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 17:59, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
 
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::::::I've noticed that the wiki doesn't resize the images particularly well when creating the thumbnails, although I don't know enough to have any idea how to change that. The problem with the coloured files is that they're created from the .pdf maps in the Handbook series in the main, and those files have multiple layers - the planets and boundaries are one layer, the text is another layer, and the floating boxes with the caption and like are another layer. Every time you zoom in or out, it resizes the image layer, and then re-smoothes the font on the text to a size appropriate to the current viewing resolution. Once you cap the picture to colour it, you're stuck with the text at that resolution, and shrinking the image actually deforms the smoothing effect slightly, causing minor variations in colour that provide definition at the size the cap was taken to distort as it's size is altered. Keeping the files at hi-res reduces that problem, but makes the files pretty big. Re-colouring the files works better the further you zoom in on the original, but that also increases the distortion when the images are resized.
 
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:::::::[[Image:Marian_Hegemony_3055.png|Marisa Tomei confirms no worlds were harmed during the making of this map|left|225px]]
 
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:::::::I've taken the original file on the wiki and created a new version at a smaller size, but as close as I can get to the original file resolution, which you can see here:
 
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::::::I think this is at a manageable resolution when viewed full-size, but I'm not convinced by it's readability in the map gallery. What do you think? I've reverted the Asgard map, by the way. Thank you for the demonstration - I've copied the code into my working file! [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] 20:45, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
 
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:::::::I think this newer image you loaded is great. I'm not sure what you mean by map gallery; should I presume you mean either in the infobox's thumbnail or on its own file page? Or did you mean within gallery code or on a gallery page? If you mean the file page ([[:File:Marian_Hegemony_3055.png]]), yeah, it's just about outside the scope of easy viewing, but by leaning in, I feel I could find a planet. However, at that displayed resolution, I'd also try clicking on the file itself ([http://www.sarna.net/wiki/images/3/3c/Marian_Hegemony_3055.png]) and since it isn't too large, I'd stick there to find my planet. Does that make sense?--[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 21:33, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
 
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::::::::Sorry, I'm still learning my way around the Wiki lexicon; I did mean the image on it's own file page before it's clicked on. I'm going to see what I can do about sharpening up the image a little more but I'm hitting the limits of what I can get done during a lunch break at work and still email home. I think I might be able to update the quality just a little more, but I'm reassured that the system I'm using now is good enough - I should be able to turn out a few maps each day, with any luck. One thing I did think of is that it would be relatively easy to produce cropped versions of the larger maps for use with each planet, and to colour individual planets in, giving each planet it's own map... but doing so could seriously jack up the amount of bandwidth people visiting the site use, and the size of the wiki itself, and I'm not sure where Nic stands with the service provider for that.
 
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::::::::The map I used for the Marian Hegemony currently occupies about a quarter of a page in [[Handbook: Major Periphery States|HB:MPS]]. One of the problems we're going to have is that the bigger realms have substantially bigger maps; producing a map of somewhere like the Lyran Commonwealth at the same quality as the map here that's still readable is going to be something of a challenge. I shall have to play around and see what I can come up with... [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] 08:05, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
 
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:Okay, despite your lackluster wiki-language skills, I think we're on the same metaphorical page now. Curious as to why you're concerned about uploading at work: if you're emailing home, it's not a bandwidth issue, right?
 
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:I have the same concerns as you regarding the large faction maps. I think we'll have to limit them to regions, but then we have an issue with possibly 'loosing' the region, since those shapes are not as familiar to us. I really do like the idea of creating custom images for each planet, but am ''very'' aware of the enormity of that task inititally. It almost merits a project in itself.
 
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:I've been kicking over how Wikipedia uses [[w:File:Hillsborough County Florida Incorporated and Unincorporated areas Tampa Highlighted.svg|subsets]] to identify locations for their [[Schenecker double homicide|article infoboxes]]. I hust don't have a firm grasp of the graphic arts to be creative enough with possible solutions.
 
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:I'm not really concerned about Sarna's bandwidth, as we'd be replacing single-article images, though granted with much larger images. I'll ask Nic, though; I'm awaiting a response from him on other issues.--[[User:Revanche|Rev]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 15:47, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
 
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::It's not so much a bandwidth issue as a net-logging issue. If I'm uploading large quantities of data to a website, it'll attract attention, and runs the risk of the site being added to the banned list and me being sumarrily sacked for abusing the net access at work. On the other hand, emails don't attract as much attention and aren't site specific. I did originally think I'd have to email the very large sourcefiles home and then compress them at home, but a little research at work has let me compress some maps I made there today into what looks like a good size and format... but I promptly forgot to email them home because I got distracted by all those Taurian worlds that need citations.
 
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::Creating individual world maps is time consuming, but not hugely so, provided that four or five planets are roughly centred and can use the same map. What'll take the time is uploading them all I suspect... but I can sit down and do a few test runs. What I'd probably do is use locally stored huge source files, and cap/crop/colour individual maps from them. The elephant int he room is how many maps would be needed for each planet; would we want one, one for each era, one for each major era? Planets that died off in the 1st-3rd Succession Wars are likely to only be on a small number of maps, but whatever era we go for the map is only relevant for a given period of time. Unless we create a gallery of maps for each world to reflect changes in ownership over time?
 
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::I have no idea how wikipedia managed to do that - compared to anyone with a modicum of training, I'm a gorilla with a set of colouring crayons, but at least what I do is simple! In theory, with a big enough map, some co-ordinates and a dose of javascript, it should be possible to do all sorts of things, but it's way above my level of competence.
 
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::Having created some maps at work for the Taurian Concordat from 2571 to 3067, it's amazing how densely populated the Star League era was compared to the recent age. Adding in all those dead planets is really going to up the planet count here... I had to change the default colour for the Concordat from that used in the official 3130 map though, because the colour is basically a nightmare to work with and keep text legible against. I'm hoping no-one will really notice, though!  [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] 16:52, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
 
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:::It's okay, no one cares about the Taurian Concordat. {{emoticon|:P}} ::ducks:: --[[User:Scaletail|Scaletail]] 22:40, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
 
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::::[wincing] Oooh...that's gonna leave a mark.--[[User:Revanche|Rev]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 00:35, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
 
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:::Numbers of maps: which ever one is best at 'locating' the subject planet. Clearly, the subject planet'll have to be on the map uploaded, but as long as there's enough of the image to locate where in the IS (or wherever) the region is, the actual date of the map is irrelevant, as far as I'm concerned.--[[User:Revanche|Rev]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 00:35, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
 
  
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== Template: PlanetOverhaul ==
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== Civil War ==
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Good morning, BrokenMnemonic. You may have noticed [[user:Mbear|Mbear]] has created, and I've begin unveiling, a new template for the upcoming overhaul. I know you haven't yet, but because I know you're so passionate about the overhaul, I thought I'd ask you to refrain from posting the new template on the articles just yet. [[User:Doneve|Doneve]] and I still need to finish up the faction categorizations and the overhaul effort still needs to be defined. Thanks, man. --[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 16:59, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
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<pre>Archer      - 2458 / 2474
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:OK, not a problem - I'm happy to stick to updating owner histories at the moment, and I'll wait until the all-clear before using the new template. Does this mean at some point I should actually join the planets project team? ;) [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] 20:35, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
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Banshee    - 2445
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::I actually hesitated from putting you on there. Doneve was already on there and since he's assisting me with the pre-overhaul stuff, he 'survived' the membership refresh. Feel free to join in, and that includes in the overall discussion, too.--[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 21:33, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
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Battleaxe  - 2459
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Bellerophon - 2442
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Commando    - 2486
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Crossbow    - 2468 / 2481
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Dervish    - 2520
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Firebee    - 2483
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Flea        - 2475
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Gladiator  - 2468 / 2495
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Griffin    - 2492
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Guillotine  - 2499
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Hammerhands - 2475
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Hector      - 2460
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Icarus II  - 2518
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Koschei    - 2504
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Kyudo      - 2443
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Locust      - 2499
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Longbow    - 2480
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Mackie      - 2439
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Orion      - 2456
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Ostroc      - 2511
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Ostwar      - 2470 / 2500
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Phoenix    - 2474 / 2520
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Swordsman  - 2463
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Talos      - 2532
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Thorn      - 2490
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Thunderbolt - 2491
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Von Rohrs  - 2487
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Warhammer  - 2515
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Wasp        - 2464
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Ymir        - 2462</pre>
  
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== Surreal Award ==
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==OHU==
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Okay, I give up. What does OHU stand for? [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 08:20, 9 May 2018 (EDT)
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:It's an abbreviation of "Owner history update" because I got tired of writing that for dozens of entries in a row. I'm alternating chuntering through doing complete article updates and updating the owner histories to reflect the maps in First Succession War and Second Succession War to make doing the full article updates a little faster. [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] ([[User talk:BrokenMnemonic|talk]]) 08:46, 9 May 2018 (EDT)
  
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I've never given one of these before, but I think the chasing summary lines have brought a wry sense of humor to that oft-overlooked bit of virtual paperwork.
 
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:[[File:Sur.jpg|Surreal Award, 1st ribbon]]
 
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Congrats. ;)--[[User:Revanche|Rev]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 16:10, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
 
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:Ooh, a new ribbon! Very cool. I'm a huge fan of shiny things! (One reason why I live in a house full of toys, books, films and games.) Although if I'm being awarded a surreal award, you should have one as well; after all, for surreal humour to work, two people at least have to be involved and aware that it's actually surreal humour in the first place... [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] 16:36, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
 
  
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==Vandal Cop award==
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==Abuse Filter==
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[[File:VC.jpg|Vandal Cop Award, 1st ribbon]] Thanks for your efforts in tagging the spambots - though I do request to simply leave such pages alone in the future until an Admin deletes them which usually happens within a few hours (often minutes). [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] 10:51, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
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Thank you much, especially with adding URLs. I was hoping someone would figure it out too, but I knew any directions I wrote would probably just complicate it. --[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 11:48, 21 May 2018 (EDT)
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:Thank you. Is there anything I can do to help with these spambots? I found your note on Doneve's profile about leaving their pages alone after the first 4 had appeared today, so I held off touching the adverts they were posting, but I thought breaking the redirect links might be ok. [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] 10:57, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
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:I had no idea the filters existed, but now I know they do, I'll try and keep updating them when I end up deleting spammers - I doubt we'll ever get ahead of the majority of them, but it seems a worthy fight! [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] ([[User talk:BrokenMnemonic|talk]]) 02:39, 22 May 2018 (EDT)
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::I'd say just to bring it to the attention of one of the day's more active Admins. I usually like to kill spammers first thing off, before crushing the morale of the users.--[[User:Revanche|Rev]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 11:18, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
 
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:::I can always send PMs on the CBT forums to say that there's a spammer on the loose on the wiki. It's frustrating that I haven't yet worked out how to get one arm far enough down the intertubes to be able to remove a spammer's internal organs through their ears, but sooner or later I'll manage it... I'm a little wary of getting the admins attention before the first coffee of the morning though, in case any of the wrath, fire and brimstone comes in my direction. [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] 11:30, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
 
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::::Thanks for cleaning house after that spambot. Have another Vandal Cop Award (3rd Ribbon). [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] 20:13, 26 September 2011 (UTC)
 
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:::::Thank you {{Emoticon| :) }} - that's the second destructive spambot we've had in a week, although the first one only seemed to go for fanon pages. I have a feeling from the pages that it rewrote that it was hunting through sarna for the words "child" or "kid" and then corrupting the articles it found. [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] 07:38, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
 
  
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== Provinces, Regions & Factions ==
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::I've written Nic, asking him to check on the external links to new user pages (filter #3), as it does not appear to be working (only hit was an internal link). If we get that working, we'll be golden (for a while), as all spam getting thru the last few days has been on those pages.--[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 07:50, 22 May 2018 (EDT)
  
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BrokenMnemonic, maybe because it's late and I'm tired, but I'm a bit frustrated. It's clear now that the idea of the [[BattleTechWiki:Project Planets/Planet Overhaul/Faction Map Gallery|reference gallery]] idea of mine is going to be difficult, much more complicated than I had thought.<br>
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Do you think you'll be able to develop the idea, take charge? I decided to upload maps per demanding requirements (see the above page's opening statement), but found out with the 2nd map there was no way to show all of the FedSuns' faction map, as early as 2571! I think we'll need to break the galleries down beyond just factions, but also regions (provinces, marches, etc.) That means, for example, not just grabbing an image of every map in, say, ''Handbook: House Davion'', but cropping them so we get clear images of the marches over time. Instead of having a Federated Suns gallery, we need a sub-section gallery of the Federated Suns, say, Crucis March, where we follow that region over the years. So, now, it's no longer as simple as each faction, but includes regions, where necessary.--[[User:Revanche|Rev]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 02:08, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
 
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:The short answer is yes, I think I can do that; the long answer is that I may not be able to do a complete job because I'm having a lot of trouble with one of the Handbooks, [[Handbook: House Davion]]. It doesn't seem to want to let me copy graphics the way [[Handbook: Major Periphery States]] does. I think the idea of breaking the areas down by region is a good one,  because it'll let us show things like the existence of the Federated Suns Terran March while it existed.
 
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:There are a couple of areas where we're going to have problems, but I don't think they're insurmountable; I'm thinking of things like while it's fairly easy to plot those worlds that were a part of the founding of the Federated Suns, you need either a really big map or a digital copy of the handbook to track all of those other worlds that were settled but presumably independent at the same time - but that's probably a secondary priority compared to getting the Federated Suns founding worlds logged, for example. [[Era Digest: Age of War]] highlights that the [[United Hindu Collective]] was just one of a number of mini-states around at the time, but I don't think we're ever going to get a complete map of all the other states, which probably makes it less of an issue - we just cite where we have accurate records.
 
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:I'll start uploading maps ASAP, but I don't know when [[Handbook: House Kurita]] is out to allow me to produce maps of the Draconis Combine... [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] 06:54, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
 
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::Sounds like you have a plan, can get your mind wrapped around it, which is good. I feel this issue is important enough to the project, but the graphical/technical side of the house is a bit out of my realm.--[[User:Revanche|Rev]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 11:24, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
 
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:::I've started uploading maps of combat theatres in the FedSuns; it seemed the best way of uploading detailed maps without having them be absolutely huge, given that the FedSuns is a really, ''really'' annoying shape. Can you take a quick look at them, and let me know if they seem obvious in what they're trying to portray? If they are, I'll crack on with the FedSuns and Protectorate of Donegal maps done the same way. Ta! [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] 20:56, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
 
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:::I like that; I do. {Green eggs and ham, I am.)--[[User:Revanche|Rev]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 00:42, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
 
  
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== 1 Month Old Today ==
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BM, as of this Wednesday, I'll be unavailable until the 8th of June (at least). Would you stay on top of filter #18? Also of note: when you're in the [[Special:AbuseLog|Abuse Log]], clicking on an entry's "'''details'''" and scrolling to the bottom will provide you the perp's IP address, even if it's already been merged with Anonymous. That'll be a great way to block the IP, rather than just the throwaway account.
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Well, I created an account here one month ago today, and I've not been deleted yet, so it seems like a cause for celebration. There are donuts in my office at work if anyone would like one... [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] 10:07, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
 
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:We're all so proud of you. Thirty days old and already uploading files, categorizing planets and cropping maps. As for the donuts: they taste a bit stale. They may be older than you.--[[User:Revanche|Rev]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 11:26, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
 
  
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As an aside: I've reached out to Nic to talk to him about the filters, but don't know if that will happen before I travel.--[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 09:46, 29 May 2018 (EDT)
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Hy, i see you uploade a new TP image, take a look on [[BattleTechWiki:Project Planets/Planet Overhaul/Faction Map Gallery]], there some TP images uploaded by myself, ok there is no colour and cropped.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 17:13, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
 
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:I saw that you've been uploading white cropped images - I've been working on some that are not as closely cropped so that those looking to track worlds near borders can see where the planets are moving during wars, and I've been colouring mine as a visual aid. I've already done some for places like the Taurian Concordat and Marian Hegemony, and I thought these versions would compliment yours. [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] 17:24, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
 
  
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== Vandal Award ==
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:Hi Rev,
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:I'll do my best - the convention I help run each year is in two weeks time though, so I'm not going to be online as much as I'd hope (and haven't been on Sarna as much over the last couple of weeks as I should've been) so I'll not be as on-top of things as I'd like. [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] ([[User talk:BrokenMnemonic|talk]]) 02:38, 30 May 2018 (EDT)
  
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Thanks for bringing that vandal to our attention. Scaletail is better than I at following new users around, but this was also more insidious in that he registered days ago, before making his first edit. Please do us a favor, though, and don't make/mark the spammer's main page, as that can camouflage him a bit from us (if we miss your edits; I watch your edits like a hawk, but...{{Emoticon| ;) }}). I pay more attention to the edits of editors/writers who don't do some of the practices other new registrants might. Also, please let one of the admins know, either on their talk page or at [[BattleTechWiki:Administrators]].
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::Understood; no problem. I'm sure Frabby will nuke 'em from orbit. Enjoy all the macrame artists!!--[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 09:14, 30 May 2018 (EDT)
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Again, thanks for identifying the attack on the site.--[[User:Revanche|Rev]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 11:07, 17 August 2011 (UTC)
 
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:Willdo! If memory serves, there was at least one other account created at the same time that didn't post anything immediately, so there may be another one lurking. I noticed that this spammer also didn't post the usual kind of spam, but instead what looks like a template for a replacement web page. [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] 11:15, 17 August 2011 (UTC)
 
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::I recall that too. I think you caught that one also. --[[User:Revanche|Rev]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 13:50, 17 August 2011 (UTC)
 
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:::I'd ask if that means another bar on the Vandal Cop award ribbon, but I'm worried that given that I tend to be only person pottering around here early-mid mornings GMT-time, I could end up listing to one side after a couple of weeks... {{Emoticon| ;) }}
 
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::::LOL. I generally give vandal cops the Pavlov treatment: you're never really sure when you'll get recognized. --[[User:Revanche|Rev]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 14:17, 17 August 2011 (UTC)
 
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:::::You realise that's only going to encourage my efforts to make spammers catch fire via internet-based pyrokinesis, right? Or maybe see if I can do a Scanners routine... [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] 16:15, 17 August 2011 (UTC)
 
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::::::I am SO willing to risk that.--[[User:Revanche|Rev]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 16:38, 17 August 2011 (UTC)
 
  
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==Minor Faction==
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== Front page news ==
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Morning, i think we can put on your new created [[Capellan Holdfast]] etc. a Minor Faction category link, what you are think.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 10:42, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
 
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: Morning {{Emoticon| :) }}) I wasn't aware of the Minor Faction category before you mentioned it, but having tracked it down, I think that's a good idea. I'll whistle around the various factions I've written up this morning and add it to them as well. The Capellan Zone seems to be a complete mish-mash of states of varying sizes, most of them knocking each other over on a regular basis. Thanks for pointing the category out! It'll be handy for me to use in the future. [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] 11:43, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
 
  
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== All Purpose Award ==
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Hey BM, last month I gave Frabby a poke about updating the front page with news of the new releases and you ebded up doing it, so you fancy doing the same again?--[[User:Dmon|Dmon]] ([[User talk:Dmon|talk]]) 03:41, 12 September 2018 (EDT)
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:Happy to! It might take me a little while as work's manic at the moment, but I'll get it done soonest. I also want to work up a [[Spotlight On]] series page, in the same fashion as the [[Touring the Stars (series)|Touring the Stars]] page... [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] ([[User talk:BrokenMnemonic|talk]]) 04:09, 12 September 2018 (EDT)
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:Could You do the honors for us please regarding [[Spotlight On: Unending Faith]] and [[Touring the Stars: Regis Roost]] --[[User:Dmon|Dmon]] ([[User talk:Dmon|talk]]) 04:46, 27 October 2018 (EDT)
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::Done and done. As we've got a dozen or so digital releases due between now and Christmas, I might simply add new ones to the most recent announcement, to avoid turning the page over too quickly...
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:::That makes sense, as new products become a regular thing again maybe something like a monthly combined New Release / Moratorium expiration post might be worth while.--[[User:Dmon|Dmon]] ([[User talk:Dmon|talk]]) 06:10, 29 October 2018 (EDT)
  
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Thanks for attempting to help [[User:MechWarriorfreak‎‎|MechWarriorfreak‎‎]] contact the Beas. Helping people new to the wiki is -in my opinion- the best way to encourage them to stay to help.
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== Draft Request: Union of Samoyedic Colonies ==
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Thanks again. --[[User:Revanche|Rev]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 18:11, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
 
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::Thank you! I didn't want him feeling ignored, and it was no trouble to help him out. I can't see Herb going with his idea though... [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] 18:19, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
 
  
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==Explorer Corps==
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BLUF: Could I get you to start an article for the [[Union of Samoyedic Colonies]]?
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Evening ;), i take a look in [[Explorer Corps (sourcebook)]], and found a lot off not added systems, worls there have a relation ship (or taken) by the clans, what we do with this independent? clan controlled?... worlds.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 22:40, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
 
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:Morning :) I've been meaning to dig out [[Explorer Corps (sourcebook)]] for a while, but I got sidetracked from Periphery nations to the Capellan Confederation because the maps are soooo pretty. Anyway... are you thinking of worlds that appear to be under de facto Clan control, or worlds that have been mentioned as having contact with the clans (and perhaps not the inner sphere) but for which there are no clear ownership details? [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] 06:42, 19 August 2011 (UTC)
 
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:OK, I've dug out my copy of Explorer Corps. Are you looking at the various sites marked on the Periphery Map (Coreward Sector) on P.48? I notice the following pages give us some basics on each system on the map, but not a huge amount of detail, and only a small number of those worlds shown are occupied worlds... most seem to be transfer stations, orbital facilities or garrisons. I think I remember hearing mention of battles around some of them in various of the Jihad sourcebooks.
 
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:As the lanet entries are becoming system entries, I think we should record them... but I think all we can do is create an owner history with a single entry in, until we get more detail on them in future books, or until more references are brought in from other books. In terms of ownership, unless the text indicates that they're the subject of a trade relationship or the like, I think they need to be categorised by the Clan that has them listed as a facility.
 
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:I notice the text on P. 25 "Draconis Combine Facilities" mentions a WOB facility named Opotiki, too... [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] 19:36, 19 August 2011 (UTC)
 
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::Yeah i think so to, i create in next time orbital facility articles, then we can put this subjects to the Manufacturing Centers category, or the clan occupied worlds.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 19:51, 19 August 2011 (UTC)
 
  
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== Planet Categorization ==
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[[BattleTechWiki:Project_Planets/Mapping|Operation Doneve]] is progressing nicely. We should have only one more system audit to run, to ensure all relevant articles have been identified and have the requisite templates in place for the various scripts to recognize and update. One item stands out: the Union of Samoyedic Colonies, which does not yet exist. The project is ''not'' hindered by the lack of the article, but it is a line of unfinished business, as we proceed into the development phases. I'm afraid it will drop off the radar completely, if left to me.
  
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I'm finally done with my half of the alphabet, and Doneve is wrapping up his, too. Thanks a lot for categorizing while you were charting. So many times I'd open up 15 planets to try and pump some out over a span of a few lax minutes and groan when I'd see these really complicated histories. However, more often than not, I'd scroll down and see they were already categorized by you. And today, that was the case with the last two, and one had been done by you only yesterday. Thanks!<br>
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Would you be willing to take an opening crack at it? The issue is that there is so much information on the Union (''[[Interstellar Players 3]]'', pp. 50, 54-58), that I cannot take the time out of other areas of focus to give it a good first draft. I could easily create a nearly empty template of a page, with the coordinates (-896.324, 34.810), but that's just too much of a stub for something that deserves a better first look for any reader visiting the page.
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Once I get Doneve going on his Mission Phase 0, you and I can start working on Sarna, 'kay? I'll pull you over to our [[BattleTechWiki:Project Planets/Planet Overhaul/Mockups|mission page]] when I'm ready. --[[User:Revanche|Rev]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 19:13, 19 August 2011 (UTC)
 
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:I'm glad I've been able to help :) It's probably a dead giveaway that if there's a planet entry with more than six references in it's owner history, I've been fiddling around with it. I've been working through the maps in the handbooks, categorising all of the realm worlds, and cross-referencing periphery states with the maps in the various Handbooks. It didn't feel right to expand the ownership history without adding categories too, and I found a fair number of oddities in the pre-generated owner histories. That's why it's been taking me so long to do a relatively low population of worlds, though... I'm forever mixing and matching references and citations, and if someone's added planetary details or garrison details with citations, I've been using that detail for the owner histories as well. It makes it pretty slow going...
 
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:Anyway, I'm looking forward to working on Sarna, Rollis and Grossbach :) And not just because a break from the Confederation sounds like heaven at times... [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] 19:41, 19 August 2011 (UTC)
 
  
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== The Planetary Expansion? ==
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If now's not the right time, please let me know. I also apologize for putting you on the spot; this isn't how wiki collaborations are supposed to work.--[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 11:23, 17 September 2018 (EDT)
  
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Wow...simply wow. I've never seen the site grow by as many articles in a single day, even with sub or stub articles. Great job! Any idea how many articles you added? (And you still had time to review ''Historical: Reunification War''?) --[[User:Revanche|Rev]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 11:33, 22 August 2011 (UTC)
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:Yo da man, BrokenMnemonic. Thanks a bunch! That is an informative article.--[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 06:21, 18 September 2018 (EDT)
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:Hmm... well, my main spreadsheet is at home, but from memory the Capellan Confederation has had roughly 480-500 systems within it's borders at any one time. I've been updating the histories based on the individual founding states, but I decided late last week to get all the Star League era worlds that have since vanished uploaded, as I thought that would be reasonably quick and simple. I think of the 480-500 systems, about 200-300 are still around and in various hands, so I've added maybe 200 systems. I do know my work on the Confederation plus the map uploads took me from about 1,100 edits to just over 1,500 in a week or so, although there are some other bits and pieces mixed in there like the RWR worlds Oystein confirmed were reappearing, and I've been slowly updating the OA worlds with citations. I'm not looking forward to adding in all the missing worlds from the other major states... and, frustratingly, because the Handbook maps skip from 2571 to 2822, there are worlds I can see on the 2750 maps in Handbook: Major Periphery States that I otherwise wouldn't know about, so if CGL produce 2750 era maps of the Inner Sphere (Historical: Liberation of Terra?) there could be another big tranche of worlds to add, even after going through all the Handbooks.
 
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:I didn't review Reunification War in any great detail, I just skimmed through looking at odd bits and pieces like particular worlds and battles, and details of mercenary/house/periphery units that were new to me; I was mainly focussed on seeing what maps there were, and getting an idea for whether any Periphery worlds appeared and disappeared between 2571 and 2750. It's no wonder the Taurians are paranoid - the Star League/House Davion annexed more than half the Concordat during the war. In fact, if they'd gone one world "deeper" into the Concordat across the board, the Concordat would've been reduced to basically the Hyades worlds and not a lot else. Ouch.
 
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:I took a quick read through Field Report: Periphery as well, and that's a bit of a painful read. I hadn't realised that the Magistracy was effectively an occupied nation for most of the Jihad, and I think it's great that we've finally got a decent map of the Hanseatic realm... but where are the maps of the Chainelaine Isles? [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] 11:52, 22 August 2011 (UTC)
 
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::Not only did I learn a new word just now ("tranche"), now I see having you join us when you did was either a good or bad thing. "Good", because you're so dedicated to revealing what should be known but was not provided here or "bad", because you've just added 200 articles to the Overhaul effort, with a promise of a lot more to come. At the least, the "good" aspect will force you to be a driving force in the Overhaul. Hah! Serves you right!--[[User:Revanche|Rev]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 13:53, 22 August 2011 (UTC)
 
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:::I'm a study in duality! Would it add weight to the good or bad argument if I mentioned the 75-80 new Outworlds Alliance worlds, 100-150 Rim Worlds Republic worlds and 50 or so Taurian Concordat/Magistracy of Canopus worlds I'd already added here while you weren't watching me too closely? ... Why are you holding a machete? [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] 14:02, 22 August 2011 (UTC)
 
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::::[thinking] "Let's see...Lizzie Borden...how many whacks?"--[[User:Revanche|Rev]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 14:15, 22 August 2011 (UTC)
 
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:::::Well, it's been a while since I took on a big single-article project like the [[Crater Cobras]] piece I did a few weeks ago... I could always stop adding planets for a while, do another couple of big articles, and give Doneve a chance to catch up with all the new planets? Although, there are all those maps that need to be cropped, coloured and uploaded, and they're so shiny... [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] 15:10, 22 August 2011 (UTC)
 
  
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== Two jumps ==
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::No problem - most of the people in my area are away at an industry event, so I managed to grab a couple of quiet hours to work on Sarna. I added two other new planet articles as well, but I didn't have time to write up an article on the Union as a faction, unfortunately. [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] ([[User talk:BrokenMnemonic|talk]]) 16:30, 18 September 2018 (EDT)
  
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BM, I don't think I missed this, but I want to be sure. The auto-generated maps made by Nic represent all planets within 2 jumps, but the ones you're replacing those with (or intending to, in any case) are not to that scale, right? --[[User:Revanche|Rev]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 20:11, 22 August 2011 (UTC)
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:::Getting paid to Sarna; you're living the dream, mate.--[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 17:59, 18 September 2018 (EDT)
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:That's correct - I've based the maps and their dimensions on rough visibility/viewing ease, and the scale in the source maps varies considerably. There's no easy way of marking a scale on there without recreating the source maps in something like Adobe Illustrator, which I don't have access to, I'm afraid. [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] 20:41, 22 August 2011 (UTC)
 
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::And that's absolutely fine. We just have to remember to remove that "Planets within 2 jumps" caption when we change out the images.--[[User:Revanche|Rev]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 20:57, 22 August 2011 (UTC)
 
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:::I had a think about this last night, and I '''think''' I might be able to get a scale onto the images, if there's a scale on the source images I'm using. It's going to be fiddly and time consuming, but I'll do a test run with the 3067 FedSuns maps I'm going to be working on today. If I can get it to work, one of the problems is that all of the maps are going to end up being larger, increasing the chances of having to scroll the image if I'm to keep the text legible... [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] 06:51, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
 
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::::This could be interesting... However, I don't see having a scrollbar on the thumbnail and in the infobox being something that we ''can'' do. Even if we can...do we want a scroll bar there?--[[User:Revanche|Rev]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 11:43, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
 
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:::::Well, I've managed to produce maps with two different versions of a scale on, based on the scales published in the handbooks. The problem with adding a scale is that it pushes the dimensions of the map up, because there has to be somewhere for that scale to go onto the map without disrupting the area on which attention is being focussed. Most of the maps I've produced with a scale on (that I'll upload tonight) are fairly large in terms of the area they cover, as they're for the map gallery, but the one that covers the smallest region is this one: [[:File:Chaos_March_3067.png]] - I had to modify the captured scale image to get something that would fit, so making this map took about twice as long as the Chaos March 3058 map. Do you think it's likely to be useable for the local neighbours maps in the planet entries, given that those images are thumbnails? It might be worth replacing the thumbnail map on the [[Terra Firma]] or [[Capolla]] planet articles to see how the map might look when shrunk down. [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] 12:34, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
 
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::::::Dude, take a look at [[New Avalon]]! I wanted to use it in an infobox, since that is where they'd be used. Whatcha think?--[[User:Revanche|Rev]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 15:29, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
 
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:::::::Hy guys i think we can handle the scale map problem, by a vektor graphic programm that calculate this, thoughts.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 16:16, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
 
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::::::::I think it looks good on the New Avalon page, although the versions for planet entries will have the home province in white and the world in red; I'll hurry up and upload some of the bigger maps with more scale details on them so we can see how those work. So long as I remember to capture all of the maps at the same time, I can copy the scale from the main map and add it as another layer to the image, so it's superimposed on top - it's a little laborious, but not enough to stop me.
 
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::::::::I don't really know enough about vector graphics to comment on whether using a programme that can calculate and chart them is a good thing or not - would it mean we'd need to redraw the map for each world? Would it show the scale, or would it show the jump rings?
 
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::::::::Thinking about it... between the ''Manassas'' in [[Living Legends]] and the WOB super-jump drives, how confident are we as a wiki that the standard jump is always going to be 30 LY at most, going past the Jihad/Dark Age? [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] 18:32, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
 
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::::::::: Don't go down that rabbit hole! That way be madness. Seriously, though: we can't speculate, only report. Don't fret about it.--[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 21:37, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
 
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::::::::::Ok the super-jump drive, takes a longer jump distance, (we talk realy about super-jump drive distances), i think not, my indication was to bring a idea how we can handle this problem, a vektor graphic prog. can calculate from your stard point you are setted to each end point a vektor, oh, and we can fix the map size problem, you indicate the probs. of map sizes, and other parameters ref. point, target point etc. and bam you have the correct distance from planet to planet, i hope my writing was not to rough, i add a example in the next days, thanks guys.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 21:52, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
 
  
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== Mockups ==
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== Award ==
  
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I realize you're heavily involved in the Faction Maps prep-work for the Overhaul (and Doneve and you are doing great work), but I wanted to let you know I'm going to start work on Sarna. The mission page for the mockups is [[BattleTechWiki:Project Planets/Planet Overhaul/Mockups|here]], though we'll be discussing our work [[BattleTechWiki talk:Project Planets/Planet Overhaul|here]].<br>
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Hey BM, just want to express am appreciation for the huge amount of dog work you do around here. Specifically all your recent work sorting out all the images.
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I'm will be taking a (very short) wiki-break in early September, and in preparation for that, I'm trying to get some balls rolling, so ya'll aren't necessarily waiting on me.--[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 16:09, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
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[[File:RAA_1sc.jpg|Random Act of Appreciation Award, 9th ribbon]]
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:OK, I'll keep an eye on the Sarna entry and pitch in where I can - I'm looking to use your work on the Sarna article to get the Rollis and Grossbach articles done. I'm still not overly familiar with how the templates work here, which is why I've been poking a couple of them to see how they work. Don't worry about keeping me busy, though - think of all those worlds from the Steiner, Davion and Marik handbooks are that vanished from maps and which aren't on the wiki yet. Maybe I could add another 600 worlds while you're on your break? [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] 18:25, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
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--[[User:Dmon|Dmon]] ([[User talk:Dmon|talk]]) 05:27, 19 October 2018 (EDT)
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::You could probably invent some, without anyone noticing.<nowiki><ref>''House Amaris: The Triumph of the Meek'', p. 47, "The 75 Hidden Righteous Planets"</ref></nowiki>
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:Thank you {{ emoticon | :) }} I'm heading into a slower month in November, while I work on NaNoWriMo, but I'm determined to get the uncategorised images down to below a thousand, and to get the uncategorised pages down to soemthing resembling a sensible number. I may regret those decisions in the future, obviously... [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] ([[User talk:BrokenMnemonic|talk]]) 08:20, 27 October 2018 (EDT)
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::As for whatever planet you start off with, try to do it in [[BattleTechWiki:Project Planets/Planet Overhaul#Phases|phases]], to test the method. I'd be interested in your perspective, as I see you following other team members along and filling in Phase 2 articles with the customized maps. The templates shouldn't be too much trouble for you; just cut and paste everything in [[BattleTechWiki:Project Planets/Planet Overhaul/C&P Template|this box]] and then fill in the relavant fields from the data that exists on the page already.
 
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::Gotta get home. Later. --[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 22:10, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
 
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:::The 75 Hidden Righteous Planets? I couldn't possibly do that. I'm too busy working up the bastion worlds Clan Wolverine created in the Deep Periphery to act as the last line of defence against the aliens trying to invade the Inner Sphere.
 
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:::I'm going to start (carefully) poking the [[Rollis]] article to start getting it into line with the new template. One thing did occur to me, though; the maps showing the planets are most likely to come from one of three eras - either 3067 or 2750, and from the Handbook series, representing either the current state of play for still-inhabited planets or the Star League era for those planets that vanished before 3025, and then the Dark Age era for worlds mapped using the 3130 Inner Sphere map. Obviously, I'd include details of the source for the map in the map image file details, but would it be of use in the planet template to have a box to show the year the map represents? I'm thinking that for new users, a map is a map, and for long-time players, lots of names they don't recognise will intimate a Star League map, but that adding a map year in the planet article itself makes it more obvious at a glance what "kind" of planet the article is about. [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] 07:18, 24 August 2011 (UTC)
 
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::::Yes, I think indicating the year of the map is a good idea, but in the caption would be best. I've petitioned [[User:Mbear|Mbear]] to take a look at allowing captions to work in the style of infobox we're using. --[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 10:24, 24 August 2011 (UTC)
 
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:::::That sounds good to me. Is the odd text artifact I've got in the image box in the draft [[Rollis]] article a result of the infobox style? [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] 10:40, 24 August 2011 (UTC)
 
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::::::It is indeed. Look at how I did it with Sarna. That's how you get it to display 'properly' (if 'properly' also means inflating the image up to 285 pixels). Hopefully Mbear will be able to assist us.--[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 10:53, 24 August 2011 (UTC)
 
  
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==All Purpose Award==
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==Categories for transcripts==
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Umm. I don't quite understand why we've installed transcript categories for individual games, given that these "categories" are really finite lists with a defined content that's not going to change? [[Category talk:Media Transcripts#Why Categories?]] [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 06:38, 24 November 2018 (EST)
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:Two main reasons; first, it helps people browsing find them quickly and easily by going through the categories, and because it takes them out of the massive morass of thousands of files that currently sit in the "pages with no category" category. Someone who finds one of the pages or looks them up can use the category to easily navigate to all of the other transcripts, if they're so inclined. [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] ([[User talk:BrokenMnemonic|talk]]) 13:45, 24 November 2018 (EST)
  
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I give you the [[File:AP 2bol.jpg|All Purpose Award, 3rd ribbon]] All Purpose Award, for drawing my attention to the Documents category with your recent edits. --[[User:Neufeld|Neufeld]] 11:32, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
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== OD ==
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:Thank you, that's very kind. I only noticed the category myself yesterday when I saw someone (ClanWolverine101, I think) update a document on the [[Bell Accord]]. Since then, I thought "wouldn't it be good to include some of these documents that keep appearing in the references to Capellan Proto-States that are making assigning planet/state categories a complete nightmare" which goes to show that I'm clinically and certifiably insane. [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] 11:37, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
 
  
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==Castilian Principalities==
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BrokenMnemonic, do you have access to the OD forum?--[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 10:37, 8 February 2019 (EST)
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Evening, have you any info of the Castilian Principality, i found a little bit in [[Era Digest: Age of War]], i added a red link (grm) in the year category [[2392]], i cant found another info of the subject, thanks.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 17:25, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
 
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:I've had a look, and I can't find anything in any of the books that I've got, although I'm missing the Jihad era books past Dawn of the Jihad, not counting Jihad Conspiracies, Interstellar Players and Masters and Minions. I had a look in the Explorer Corps, and that indicates that Nueva Castile was founded by Terran colonists from Iberia in the late 24th century (page 58). I'd Ask The Writers if they're the same thing - Nueva Castile's been picked up in The Blake Documents I gather, as well as Field Manual: Periphery and the Wars of Reaving. Every other realm established in that list in Era Digest: Age of War is a realm with an established history in canon and I recognise, which makes me think that the Castilian Principalities are an exiting realm with an odd name. ColBosche might answer, even though he's no longer a formal member of the writing staff, as he wrote ED: Age of War. That's my best guess, I'm afraid. Sorry I can't help more! [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] 19:03, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
 
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::I notice that [[Field Manual: Periphery]] openly states that Nueva Castile was settled in 2392 - I'd say that makes it pretty much certain that the Castilian Principality was the original name for Neuva Castile, but I can't see anything that actually confirms that. [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] 07:27, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
 
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:::Thanks for the info.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 10:06, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
 
  
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==Help==
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==Adding Image Summary Templates==
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Hy, please can you add a Phaso O template when you update planet pages, i appriciate this, i must tag hmm 1.900 planet pages, and it was great help by you, thanks.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 18:51, 27 August 2011 (UTC)
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Hi BrokenMnemonic, I am adding [[Template:Image_summary]] to all images that I can in accordance with [[:Policy:Images#Images_must_name_their_source|Policy:Images]], and any help is appreciated. Since you've been adding categories to a lot of the CCG images, could I ask you to add the template as well? If you add it and the information is unknown, leave the line ''blank''. The image then shows up in the [http://www.sarna.net/wiki/:Category:Missing_copyright_information Images Missing Copyright Information] category and someone else may be able to add the info. If the image does not have the template, it will not appear in the category, and is more difficult to find. A blank template is better than no template, but obviously the more information you have time to add the better. Pserratv and I have been using the same basic format for the cards, just changing the Mech name, artist name (in the template and then the category), name of the card set, and (if appropriate) change BattleMech to OmniMech. [[:File:Albatross_ALB-3U_CCG_Mercenaries.jpg]] or [[:File:Daishi_S_(Dire_Wolf)_CCG_Arsenal.jpg]].  Thank you! --[[User:Cache|Cache]] ([[User talk:Cache|talk]]) 18:54, 19 March 2019 (EDT)
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:Willdo - I just need to work out how ;) [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] 18:53, 27 August 2011 (UTC)
 
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::Thanks bud ;).--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 18:54, 27 August 2011 (UTC)
 
  
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== Phase 2 ==
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== Star League commands order ==
  
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Hey, I think there may have been a lot of posts recently, so you missed [[BattleTechWiki_talk:Project_Planets/Planet_Overhaul#Phase_2|this one]] to you. --[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 20:53, 27 August 2011 (UTC)
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Hi BrokenMnemonic,
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:Ah, I did. Thanks for pointing it out! I'll dig the co-ordinates out of the resources area for Rollis. Is it ok for me to add the new co-ordinates to other worlds while I'm updating the ownership histories, or should I wait until the general template has been given the go-ahead? [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] 21:00, 27 August 2011 (UTC)
 
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::Time-saver: the coordinates are provided in the Helpful Links on the [[BattleTechWiki:Project Planets|project page]].
 
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::You can, but be sure to post them with the template provided. However, Phase 2 is all about coordinates. They will be put in by whomever will be focusing in on only their Phase 2 assignment (when the missions start).--[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 21:05, 27 August 2011 (UTC)
 
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:::I'll keep an eye on the Phase tag. Once you're done and it's showing as Phase 2, we'll start on Phase 3.--[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 21:42, 27 August 2011 (UTC)
 
  
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== Preps for Phase 3 ==
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I've seen that the Star League commands order is different from the rest. Units assigned in sub-level commands do appear also in the root (something that does not happen in other Military Commands Categories. Am I right if I consider this Category incorrectly done?
  
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I realize you're still working on Phase 2 for [[Rollis]], but I wanted to give you head's up that I envision you as the project cartographer, which means you pretty much 'own' Phase 3 for every mission. In that light, I thought you might want to consider the maps for the three Mock-up systems.--[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 12:45, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
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I also think there are categories missing that should help reorganize this a bit better? The level of sub commands can be huge, and I do not even know which is the best way to order them.
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:I think I'm pretty much done with Phase 2 for [[Rollis]]... and I have maps for [[Rollis]], [[Sarna]] and [[Grossbach]] on my machine at work, ready to be uploaded. For once, I'm possibly ahead of the curve! [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] 12:48, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
 
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::Aaah, great. Don't forget to update the Phase tag to show Phase 2 then.--[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 12:59, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
 
  
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==TBD==
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I tried to make this a general query, but have no idea on how to do it.--[[User:Pserratv|Pserratv]] ([[User talk:Pserratv|talk]]) 10:31, 18 July 2019 (EDT)
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Hy, i think you want this map [[:File:MallaC & FVC 3075.jpg.jpg]], greting.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 11:43, 31 August 2011 (UTC)
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:FWIW, I provided an answer on my talk page.--[[User:Mbear|Mbear]]<sup>([[User_talk:Mbear|talk]])</sup> 09:21, 19 July 2019 (EDT)
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:Thank you for the map! I'm having a bit of trouble reading it, though - is it not set up for easy enlargement in the ebook? [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] 12:28, 31 August 2011 (UTC)
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::I'm sorry I wasn't around to answer this - I've not been able to log in much lately, unfortunately. [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] ([[User talk:BrokenMnemonic|talk]]) 16:10, 22 July 2019 (EDT)
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::Thats truh, sorry but i dont have a better qulity.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 12:33, 31 August 2011 (UTC)
 
  
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== Thanks... ==
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== Proposed Organization of the Star League Forces (final) ==
  
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...for completing ''[[Dark Age: Republic Worlds (3130)‎‎]]''.--[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 11:30, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
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I've created and explained a proposal here: [[:Category talk:Star League Defense Force Commands]], could you review and share your insights?--[[User:Pserratv|Pserratv]] ([[User talk:Pserratv|talk]]) 08:55, 7 August 2019 (EDT)
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:I saw it part-finished and had some time this morning, so I thought I'd help out. It was a nice change from playing "find the missing planet"... [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] 12:11, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
 
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::See, I think ''that's'' the fun job!--[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 14:00, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
 
  
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==Phase 0==
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==Kickstarter, Event articles and Event category==
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Hy BrokenMnemonic, i finished the PlanetOverhaul Phase 0 tagging today.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 12:15, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
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Hi BM, let's continue our work on this over at my [[User talk:Frabby#Kickstarter Products|talk page]]. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 08:20, 4 November 2019 (EST)
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:Well done! You've beaten me and my lost worlds - I'm still working my way through the [[Lyran Commonwealth]]. [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] 12:32, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
 
  
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==Intra-article links==
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== Jaqueline Tokawa ==
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Saw your edits to [[Forgotten Worlds]]. We usually link a keyword only in its first appearance throughout an article; linking it several times is an exception reserved for prominent mentions where a direct link makes sense over expecting the user to search for the first mentioning in the article (typical examples would be the Bibliography and/or References section, or the unit lists in novel/short story articles). [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] 10:21, 5 September 2011 (UTC)
 
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:Ah, I was under the impression that keywords were linked the first time they were used in each paragraph or section, rather than the first time they're used in each article. I'll follow the convention in future. [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] 10:29, 5 September 2011 (UTC)
 
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::Cheers! [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] 10:39, 5 September 2011 (UTC)
 
  
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==Multiple systems sharing a name==
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Just had a look at your [[Jaqueline Tokawa]] and want to present to you a good article award [[File:GdArt_2bol.jpg|Good Article Award, 3rd ribbon]] as a way to show my appreciation for this shining example of what a minor character article should be.
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Rev and I though it might be more appropriate to use numbers than a (potentially arbitrary) realm short to differentiate systems with the same name. See here: [[BattleTechWiki_talk:Project_Planets/Planet_Overhaul#System_Naming_II_-_Systems_with_the_same_name]]. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] 10:39, 5 September 2011 (UTC)
 
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:I'd been keeping a watching brief on the conversation on system naming, but I wasn't sure if it was being endorsed as policy yet. Rather than start moving articles around, I thought I'd follow what'd been done before - I've added several hundred new planets to the wiki over the last four or five weeks, and looking at my maps and notes, I've got less than 50 to go, all based in the Free Worlds League. Out of that 50, I'd be surprised if more than a couple result in duplicated names - I've only had to put in about seven or eight disambig pages or entries so far - so it may well be easier to simply add changing the name formats as a phase within the Planets Project than me doing something off my own bat with the last couple. Unless you specifically want me to try and use the next one I find (if any) as a test example? [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] 10:47, 5 September 2011 (UTC)
 
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::Since nobody else on the project chimed in on the discussion, I figured there was a consensus and remembered it when I saw your [[Altoona (LC)]] action. It's not a great issue though and you're right that sticking to the established scheme is probably better until some formal policy or project guideline emerges.
 
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::Btw, thanks for putting up with my frequent "friendly helpful guiding" attempts. :) [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] 10:56, 5 September 2011 (UTC)
 
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:::I have to admit, I didn't chime in on the conversation because I don't really need to have an opinion on it... It's one of those things where I just need to do what I'm told, and it doesn't make any objective difference to me which way is used. Although, if it's based on distance from Terra, I'm going to need to dig out my scientific calculator and dust off my hazy memories of trigonometry to work out which is the closer planet in some cases.
 
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:::I wouldn't say I was putting up with your friendly helpful guiding attempts - I'm doing what I'm told ;) I'm very much the new guy here, as I've only been editing on the wiki for about six or seven weeks, so the onus is on me to learn how things are done, not to run around doing what I think's best and presuming I'm right. I'll leave that approach to people with larger egos than mine ;) [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] 11:12, 5 September 2011 (UTC)
 
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::::I'll weigh in here by only saying how utterly & completely wrong you are. Seriously, though: if you don't have an opinion one way or another, that's fine. But don't feel just because you're the new guy or not an admin or whatever criteria that you think is required for an opinion, that you can't speak up. Frabby and I have both backed away from a position that was clearly not the consensus view. Besides, you've already gone a long way towards establishing new procedures for Project: Planets. "We Demand Suffrage for BrokenMnemonic Now!!"--[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 12:39, 5 September 2011 (UTC)
 
  
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== Project: Planets Cartographer ==
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P.S. I have updated your awards board.--[[User:Dmon|Dmon]] ([[User talk:Dmon|talk]]) 05:19, 6 February 2020 (EST)
  
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Evening, BrokenMnemonic. This isn't so much an award as simple recognition for all your work in the Overhaul and the importance you hold in the effort to come. I commissioned [http://www.classicbattletech.com/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=3358 HikageMaru] over at CBT.com to make this for your user page.
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:Thank you {{ emoticon | :) }} I've not had much free time for anything lately, but I discovered I have a copy of TRO:3058U in my email account at work, so I decided to see if I could do some small edits - don't tell my boss that, though... [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] ([[User talk:BrokenMnemonic|talk]]) 03:28, 7 February 2020 (EST)
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:[[File:PP Cartographer.png]]
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::Secret is safe with my {{ emoticon | ;) }}--[[User:Dmon|Dmon]] ([[User talk:Dmon|talk]]) 06:08, 7 February 2020 (EST)
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Hope you enjoy it! --[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 20:45, 5 September 2011 (UTC)
 
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:Thank you, that's very cool :) I shall add it to my user bar now, and display it with pride :) Of course, this also means I should probably make some more maps at some point... [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] 11:39, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
 
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::I see your role as more than 'mapmaker'; you're helping us identify who owns what and where. 'Cartographer' may not be the best fit for the planetary jack-of-all-trades, but it sounds distinguished enough!--[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 13:25, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
 
  
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== Bad_Syntax's project ==
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== Double Redirects ==
  
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Ack: almost forgot! [http://www.classicbattletech.com/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=3631 VoltAmpere] requested additional eyes on the coordinates project with which he is assisting Bad_Syntax. I told him you ''might'' be interested, as your interests here are related to that project, but it'd be up to you. Anyhow, I did tell him I'd contact you with the request.--[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 13:51, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
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Hi BrokenMnemonic, I've been working with the [[Special:DoubleRedirects]] to get rid of them. All the ones that are not user based are corrected. But there is one related to your user: User:BrokenMnemonic/Clan Invasion Kickstarter 2019 (edit) →‎ Clan Invasion Kickstarter 2019 →‎ 2019 Clan Invasion crowdfunding campaign
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:I take it I need to get in touch with VoltAmpere via the CGL forums? I had a look on here and didn't see him registered... [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] 07:35, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
 
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::Yeah. I could have sworn he was registered here as (simply) Volt, but couldn't find him. I know he's posted here; he's credited conversations here with getting him in contact with Syntax.--[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 11:19, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
 
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:::I'll see about tracking him down from the CGL website when I get home tonight... [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] 11:42, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
 
  
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== Category names ==
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And I would never dare to change a personal page. Can you do it?--[[User:Pserratv|Pserratv]] ([[User talk:Pserratv|talk]]) 11:13, 11 March 2020 (EDT)
  
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You didn't ask, but...a category automatically alphabetizes an article by the article's name. However, when an editor wants an article to be alphabetized under a different letter (such as by last name; see [[:Category:House Davion Characters]] as an example), he'll put a pipe ( | ) into the category and then the word he wants the article to be alphabetized by. So, for planets, there is no reason (of which I can think) to include a planet name after the pipe, as it will be alphabetized correctly without it.<br>
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:Sorted. This was the KS page getting moved around while [[User:Frabby]] and I wrangled over names {{ emoticon | ;) }} [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] ([[User talk:BrokenMnemonic|talk]]) 15:42, 11 March 2020 (EDT)
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"[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pele5vptVgc Knowing is half the battle.]" --[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 11:11, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
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::I imagined it was something like this. Thanks!--[[User:Pserratv|Pserratv]] ([[User talk:Pserratv|talk]]) 04:22, 12 March 2020 (EDT)
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:What I've been doing is correcting the spelling of a planet's name within the category field, because I've found a number of instances where planets have been misnamed both within the article name and the category name. I've been assuming that the names are specified after the pipe so that when planets have been renamed (Cussar to Barlow's Folly, Arn to Jia Tan, etc) it's possible to include a category for each name for people searching through the category list, rather than assigning a category to a redirect page - have I been getting that wrong? [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] 11:42, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
 
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::I hadn't thought of that, but I don't think it's working like you anticipated. Look for Arn on [[:Category:Planets]]. It's listed as Jia Tan (in Arn's place). So, someone looking for Arn won't find it and if they don't know about the re-naming, then it does them no good.
 
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::Try this (I don't know if it'll work): go to [[Arn]]. You'll get redirected to Jia Tan; from there, find "(Redirected from [[Arn]])" and click on Arn. Edit that page and put in '''<nowiki>[[Category:Planets]]</nowiki>'''. That way (I presume), it'll show up as Arn in the category, and when someone finds it in the category, they'll get re-directed to Jia Tan.--[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 14:37, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
 
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:::The most likely reason for it not working is that I haven't added the multiple categories to renamed planets yet {{Emoticon| :) }} It's on this list of things I have to do, but I was distracted by the elephants... [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] 14:49, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
 
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::::Okay...I'll take your word for it. Got distracted by something I stepped in, as I was trying to look around the elephants.--[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 18:26, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
 
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:::::That wouldn't have been a problem if you'd kept the mice away from the elephants. You know how scared elephants are of mice... [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] 19:49, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
 
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::::::Ooooh....that's what they are! Very flat mice. There goes ''my'' food source.
 
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::::::When's this BBQ?--[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 20:02, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
 
  
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==E-mail==
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== InfoBox update ==
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Did you receive my last e-mail? I ask, because I would like to ask a favor of you today, off-line. You can always reply in the affirmative or negative here. --[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 11:11, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
 
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:I did, thank you - I'm sorry I've not responded yet, but you gave me a lot to think about, and I've been mulling it over. That email address definitely works via the sarna mail system, so send away - email's forwarded to my phone as well, so I should receive it pretty quickly even if I'm at work. [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] 11:42, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
 
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::Sent.--[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 19:47, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
 
  
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==Owner History==
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Hy, i found a little error in your new created planet pages, i think a copy and past failur, you add two 3052 years, and the reference say it was 3067, not a big think, but i want to talk to you.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 12:21, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
 
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:Is this in the owner history section? If it is, then it's almost certainly a copy and paste failure - I caught a couple of Lyran Commonwealth planets where I did that. I thought I'd caught them all, but evidently I missed a few. Sorry about that {{Emoticon| :( }} [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] 12:29, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
 
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::Don't worry, when i came to the pages i fix it {{Emoticon| ;) }}.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 12:33, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
 
  
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==3130 Map==
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After our conversation a couple of weeks ago I have updated the [[:Template:InfoBoxCharacter|Character infobox]] to include rank and title in order to add flexability. I have no intention of going through all the character articles to update them, but for the future if you could include the new box in newly created/updated aticles it would be good.--[[User:Dmon|Dmon]] ([[User talk:Dmon|talk]]) 08:12, 16 April 2020 (EDT)
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Hy again, i think when we use references, we must provide a valuable link in the bibliography section, can you provide a link to the 3130 map, i think it is help full, when other users visite the planet pages and found a workable link, thanks.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 15:22, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
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:Willdo, thank you. [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] ([[User talk:BrokenMnemonic|talk]]) 12:37, 18 April 2020 (EDT)
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:OK... all I need to do now is find out where Oystein hosts the map. I'll be right back... [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] 16:45, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
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::Hey BM,
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:I've activated the bibliography citation as a link, beginning with [[McEvedy's Folly]] - let me know if I've got it right/wrong. [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] 17:48, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
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::Saw your new [[Regulan Hussars]] articles and wanted to throw this your way.
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::Ok, the citation is correct, but the link don't work?--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 17:53, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
 
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:::I'm not sure what's going on - it works for me, takes me straight to the .pdf file, which is loading up in my FireFox window automatically. [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] 18:26, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
 
  
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::Very early stages of rollout ([[Northwind Highlanders]] have been up as a test since July) but just as a heads up the that the [[Help:CreateCommandArticle|House Command]] and [[Help:CreateMercenaryUnitArticle|Mercenary Command]] infoboxes are going to become  obsolete soon and a combined [[Help:CreateCommandArticle|Military Command]] infobox brought in. Due to the number of effected articles it should be implimented in a similar manner to the character infobox, i.e. on new articles and when an existing one is updated.--[[User:Dmon|Dmon]] ([[User talk:Dmon|talk]]) 16:12, 31 August 2020 (EDT)
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Hy, i found this two planet articles [[Untran]] and [[Achtur]], i think this planets merged together, the planet is renamed in circa 2786, and we can include all content in one article and set up a redirect, what are you say.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 17:36, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
 
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:If the co-ordinates for the two of them match, I say go for it. In every other case where the co-ordinates match and the powers that be have been asked, they've confirmed it's the same planet back again, so I think in this case we can presume they're a match. [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] 17:40, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
 
  
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==Question==
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Hy again, iam a little bit tired to add all co-ordinates separate to planet articles and then in the next task the infoboxes, i would to stard with the starsystem and planet infoboxes and include in one step infoboxes and co-ordinates.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 16:47, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
 
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:I don't think we can do that yet, although I can definitely understand why you want to. I think the problem at the moment is that there still isn't a concensus on what the articles should look like - so it may be decided that the infoboxes need to change. I haven't seen anyone complain about them recently, but I'm nervous about using them outside of the test articles until the format's agreed.
 
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:I dropped messages on the talk page of everyone on the Planets Project team roster and [[User:Frabby]], asking them to comment on Rev's suggestions for how the finished articles to look; hopefully, they'll do that fairly quickly, and we can move on to making big changes to articles. [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] 18:12, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
 
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::Hm, i think it is not the problem to add infoboxes, i dont change the style of the pages i add only the infoboxes, and include data that is provided on the page, i dont change owner history etc., the Planet Overhaul say if you have system or planet data include this in the infbox, but ok i work further on the co-ordinates, i hope i found some mices to feed the elephant task.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 18:26, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
 
  
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==Oberon Confederation Map==
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I've noticed some discrepancies between page numbers cited in some articles and those in my copies of books. The clearest example I've found is in the references of [[Lee Shore]], which lists both page and chapter numbers. My copy of ''[[The Hunters]]'' (which reads "First Printing, December 1997" on the copyright page) doesn't agree with those page numbers. For example, notes 2 and 3 give references within Chapter 22 at pages 191 and 199, but in my copy of the novel Chapter 22 begins on page 210. The other citations are similarly different from what I have.
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Hy BM, i double checked the info, and i don't found any map in 25 Years of Art and Fiction, i remove the info from the summary template.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 10:22, 12 September 2011 (UTC)
 
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:Thank you - I take it this means I shouldn't rush out and buy 25 Years of Art and Fiction for it's maps of Periphery realms? [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] 10:39, 12 September 2011 (UTC)
 
  
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==Draconis Combine Prefecture Maps==
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I've encountered several such discrepancies, and I'm starting to suspect that maybe we're running into different editions that have different pagination. I'd like to see if I can get to the bottom of it. The article history indicates that you were the editor who contributed the references. Would you be able to check the page numbers and edition of your copy of ''The Hunters'' to see if we can account for the differences? [[User:Tosta Dojen|Tosta Dojen]] ([[User talk:Tosta Dojen|talk]]) 14:40, 17 August 2020 (EDT)
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Hy again, i found on Østein's page some Draconis Combine Maps (3025), and stard with uploading, take a look on this link [http://home.ifi.uio.no/~oysteint/btech/3025.html].--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 11:16, 12 September 2011 (UTC)
 
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:That's rather cool, and gives us some good maps of the Combine in advance of the Handbook coming out. I wonder why I can't click on the Illyrian Palatinate, though? What does the map know about the Palatinate that I don't? [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] 18:15, 12 September 2011 (UTC)
 
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::The Illyrian Palantinate link don't work i know, but the best on this flash map is, she provides some Unaligned Worlds in the Free Worlds Leage and other regions.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 18:48, 12 September 2011 (UTC)
 
  
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==Thanks==
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:Ah, I know what'll be causing that - I'm working from an ebook copy I bought during the period where the books were semi-available from Catalyst but had disclaimers about possibly not being the final print-ready versions. [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] ([[User talk:BrokenMnemonic|talk]]) 15:38, 19 August 2020 (EDT)
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Hy BM, thanks for helping out by co-ordinates {{emoticon|:)}}, oh and i found some new planets in Bad Syntax database, i must check the source and maps of this and give you later a response.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 13:09, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
 
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:I'm happy to help - I can't let you have all the fun {{emoticon|;)}} So far, I've been through those planets that start with a J, K or Q.
 
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:Rev listed some new planets that need to be added here: [[Template:ProjectPlanetNewArticles|Project Planet New Articles]], which includes the [[Hanseatic League]], [[Nueva Castile]] and the Járnfolk Planets. I know all of those are in BadSyntax lists. One thing I did find is that if you look at his list of dates in the master spreadsheet, if a planet only appears in 2586, then it's from the post-[[Reunification War]] map in [[Historical: Reunification War]] and we can't add the worlds yet until that book's out of the moratorium period. It might be worth adding those worlds to the planet article I mentioned above, though, so that we know they need to be done? I know I spotted a few planets like that, including one almost on top of [[Terra]]. [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] 13:19, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
 
  
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==Kage==
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::Thanks for checking; I figured it was something like that. I've been thinking about what to do about this kind of discrepancy. The print novel is the most canonical source, but using those page numbers still results in issues for readers and editors who have electronic copies of the novels. (And possibly also those who have print copies translated to another language.)
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Hy BM, the Kage info is correct, it's from a novel, but i have at this time the book not to hand, please don't revert the edits, i add a {cn}.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 09:45, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
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::Maybe the best thing is to avoid '''page numbers''' when citing novels, in favor of '''chapter''' citations. Most of the citations I've added reference chapters—not because I anticipated this issue, but simply because that's how the articles were already structured when I got there. That should avoid the discrepancies while still providing a reasonably-specific reference for verification. [[User:Tosta Dojen|Tosta Dojen]] ([[User talk:Tosta Dojen|talk]]) 11:41, 27 August 2020 (EDT)
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:Thanks for looking into that - I'll leave the page alone. I've been really twitchy about edits made by unsigned IPs after that spam attack this morning. [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] 10:01, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
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:::Yeah I started using Chapter instead of page when I realised that the default setting on my tablet uses quite a large size and the books where running into 500ish pages and I had no real way to check them.--[[User:Dmon|Dmon]] ([[User talk:Dmon|talk]]) 13:52, 27 August 2020 (EDT)
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:::On the flipside most/all ebook versions have a search function so I would like to think we can scrape by on chapter even if it is not as accurate as is the norm on wikis.--[[User:Dmon|Dmon]] ([[User talk:Dmon|talk]]) 13:57, 27 August 2020 (EDT)
  
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==Maps==
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::::This is an old problem going back to the BattleCorps re-releases of the classic novels in a totally different format. We don't have a Sarna policy on this, but the default approach was to use the first print edition as the lead product. Since this may be accurate but ultimately is not very helpful for actually finding the quote when the first print edition of the book in question is hard to come by (hello ''[[The Sword and the Dagger]]''), I've often referred to chapters, too. Remember the purpose of quoting a reference: People should be able to look it up themselves and confirm it, and for this they need to find the quote. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 07:13, 28 August 2020 (EDT)
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Hy BM i found this link, [http://www.mediafire.com/?njd9188985p97n6], download the pdf file and enjoy it {{Emoticon| ;) }}, please give me a response, what you are think about this, i don't have a email address from you, i must give you this on this way, greetings.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 21:23, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
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:I'll take a look when I get home, thank you {{Emoticon| :) }} Rev managed to send me an email through the wiki, and I was able to reply to that (which passed on my email address) - if you can send me an email the same way, I'll do the same thing.[[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] 07:40, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
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:::::I've been quoting both page and chapter for a while in references (although a while is subjective, given how long I've been on the site and when I started editing...) on the principle that regardless of the changes in pagination that portable media devices can make, the chapters are discrete blocks of text that are immediately identifiable, and most BattleTech books don't seem to have chapters that are particularly long, making skimming through for a bit of text relatively painless... [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] ([[User talk:BrokenMnemonic|talk]]) 06:55, 30 August 2020 (EDT)
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::Hi, I don't know if it is of any use, but i have got several pdfs with maps of the whole inner sphere during the different eras on my computer. They seem to be correct. Can you use them? [[User:Harry|Harry]] 12:29, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
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==InfoBoxStateUnit —> InfoBoxMilitaryCommand==
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Reminder: InfoBoxStateUnit is deprecated. We're transitioning to InfoBoxMilitaryCommand instead. :) [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 00:36, 1 September 2020 (EDT)
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==Wynn's Roost==
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Hey BM,
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Your Wynn's Roost rework has got to be the one of the best planet articles on the wiki now. Well done! I have done two small changes, I have changed the section heads to use two equals symbols instead of one (as is the norm across the rest of the wiki) and I have moved the affiliation section back up to the system section as I can't find any systems where two planets where considered to be of different factions so I am working to eliminate the second (usually blank) affiliation section most planet articles have. Hope you don't mind.--[[User:Dmon|Dmon]] ([[User talk:Dmon|talk]]) 18:21, 7 October 2020 (EDT)
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:Hi Dmon,
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:The format I used in the Wynn's Roost article is the one that I set up as the agreed template for the planets article as part of the Planets Project - you can see it in place in loads of other articles - look at [[Benet]], for example. I updated literally hundreds of articles manually to use it, after it was agreed as the standard - the single-level indentation for system and planet names is intentional, so that articles like the multi-planet Niops system can merge into one article. The distinct political affiliation sections in system history and planet history were the result of a compromise with Frabby, because while we're using system articles rather than planet articles, almost all of the affiliation information we have is based on the planets, not the systems, and we needed a mechanism to allow for when one power theoretically controlled a system but didn't occupy the planet itself. By default, the political affiliation in the system section is used when we have no definitive information on planets, and the political affiliation section is used where we actually have information on the planets themselves. Checking [[:Category:PPO Phase 5]] thee are over 1,200 planet articles using the updated format. Has the planets project decided to change the article format again? Only I've literally spent years updating articles to what was the agreed format. [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] ([[User talk:BrokenMnemonic|talk]]) 03:16, 8 October 2020 (EDT)
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:I went back to check, and a lot of the discussion is here: [[BattleTechWiki:Project Planets/Planet Overhaul]] and in the associated talk page, and you can see the agreed template linked at the bottom of that page, or go to it directly here: [[BattleTechWiki:Project_Planets/Planet_Overhaul/C%26P_Template]] [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] ([[User talk:BrokenMnemonic|talk]]) 03:22, 8 October 2020 (EDT)
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::Ah, I shall have to give it a read. The PPO stuff has that many pages I have literally no idea of what the standards are. I can confirm that you do not have 1200 articles at phase 5 because I have updated at least 1100 of our 3300ish articles to benefit from specific planet designations.--[[User:Dmon|Dmon]] ([[User talk:Dmon|talk]]) 04:01, 8 October 2020 (EDT)
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:::Having actually skimmed the discussion most of the people who participated are not very active on the wiki anymore and having found the standards for the various phases, I think I have roughly brought most of the planets up to something similar to being Phase 5 over the last 3 years.--[[User:Dmon|Dmon]] ([[User talk:Dmon|talk]]) 04:18, 8 October 2020 (EDT)
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::::The phases became a little redundant, even after the last revision, because of the switch to Nic generating the system tables automagically - one of the reasons I lost steam is because of the amount of time it took to manually generate and populate the nearby systems tables. Everything that's listed in the PPO Phase 5 category definitely has the latest template incorporated into each article though, and as good practise I left the unused sections in each article I updated, commented out so that if information became available, people who weren't familiar with the layout could see where information was supposed to go. [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] ([[User talk:BrokenMnemonic|talk]]) 08:08, 8 October 2020 (EDT)
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==Thank you==
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Hey BM,
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Thank you for creating the [[BattleTech Salvage Box]] article, I was putting it off until last because I was not sure how I wanted handle it. You stepped up and created a nice simple good looking solution saving me the hassle. Have an all purpose award as a thank you. [[File:AP 1gc.jpg|All Purpose Award, 10th ribbon]]
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I shall update your awards board as well. --[[User:Dmon|Dmon]] ([[User talk:Dmon|talk]]) 09:48, 8 November 2020 (EST)
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:Hi Dmon,
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:Thank you - seeing your UrbanMech salvage box article actually prompted me to hurry up and do something about a problem with theproduct codes of the articles I'd written on the dice and challenge coins, so it sounds like I helped us both out! [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] ([[User talk:BrokenMnemonic|talk]]) 13:01, 8 November 2020 (EST)
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::All about Synergy!--[[User:Dmon|Dmon]] ([[User talk:Dmon|talk]]) 13:51, 8 November 2020 (EST)
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:::Now we just need everyone who received one of these uniquely-coded items to go in and add the details to the pages for badges/dice/coins/et al... [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] ([[User talk:BrokenMnemonic|talk]]) 14:23, 8 November 2020 (EST)
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::::I have found the best way to get info out of the wider BT community is simply ask for it.--[[User:Dmon|Dmon]] ([[User talk:Dmon|talk]]) 14:32, 8 November 2020 (EST)
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:::::Did you back the KS, btw? I backed at Star Colonel, and while trying to reconcile the Pledge Manager against the KS campaign page, I've noticed that I can't find what's listed in the pledges from Star Captain up as "MechWarrior Pilots III" anywhere. I'm guessing it will ship as MechWarrior Card Pack III, because MechWarrior Pilots I & II have become MechWarrior Card Packs I & II (with individual product numbers) but I'm a little disconcerted I can't see pack III anywhere in the Pledge Manager. [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] ([[User talk:BrokenMnemonic|talk]]) 15:06, 8 November 2020 (EST)
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::::::I did, only at Star Commander level with a load of digital add-ons though as I do not have an active player group, so I went for maximum lore over physical product. I have had similar issues concerning the Card Packs, I was looking last night in fact. I have messaged the KS page so if they get back to me I will let you know.--[[User:Dmon|Dmon]] ([[User talk:Dmon|talk]]) 15:18, 8 November 2020 (EST)
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:::::::A number of items have changed name between what was announced on the KS page, and what's in the pledge manager/my packing crate, which is confusing things a bit. I also have an outstanding email with the pledge manager thing over the fact that I ordered a digital copy of TRO 3067, and received a discount code that a) doesn't work in the CGL shop and b) looks like it might actually be for TRO: 3075... [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] ([[User talk:BrokenMnemonic|talk]]) 15:24, 8 November 2020 (EST)
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:We already have a legendary MP article! [[BattleTech: Legendary MechWarriors]]--[[User:Dmon|Dmon]] ([[User talk:Dmon|talk]]) 17:20, 10 November 2020 (EST)
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::Ah. I'm working my way down the Kickstarter page here, and it was a redlink there, so I presumed the article hadn't been written. [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] ([[User talk:BrokenMnemonic|talk]]) 09:34, 11 November 2020 (EST)
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== Image Categories ==
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Hi BrokenMnemonic,
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Do you know how the system maps are generated? All those images don't have a category and this makes the [https://www.sarna.net/wiki/Special:UncategorizedFiles Uncategorized files] not very useful as from the first 1000 thousand maybe 95% images as these ones. And I do not want to put them in a category as this might affect the "program" that generates them. Do you know who can help? Maybe when the image is generated it can be put in a category like "System Images". I'm asking more people, but do you have any idea?--[[User:Pserratv|Pserratv]] ([[User talk:Pserratv|talk]]) 04:22, 8 March 2021 (EST)
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== MapPack Duplicate ==
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Hi,
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It looks to me like we have a duplicate pages for MapPack Grasslands - [[Map Pack: Grasslands]] and [[Map Pack: Grasslands]]. Since you created one, could I get your confirmation we both think these are about the same product before I merge them? Thanks. [[User:HF22|HF22]] ([[User talk:HF22|talk]]) 19:41, 11 September 2021 (EDT)
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==Davion II Sources?==
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Hey, do you know of any other sources on the [[Davion II (WarShip class)]]? It's running reference-lite.--[[User:Talvin|Talvin]] ([[User talk:Talvin|talk]]) 13:25, 16 March 2022 (EDT)
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:I'll have a rummage around tonight. It needs the citations added to the article from the TRO, if nothing else! [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] ([[User talk:BrokenMnemonic|talk]]) 05:38, 17 March 2022 (EDT)
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== Off topic, hope you don't mind ==
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This is not BattleTech, but I think it is very much you:  go to Amazon and search for "Spacecraft of the First World War: A Compendium of Fighting Vessels of the Great Powers" by William Flogg (Author), Michael Doscher (Author), Soloman Penn (Editor).   Apologies if I am wrong, but it's a type of nerdery I think we share. :) --[[User:Talvin|Talvin]] ([[User talk:Talvin|talk]]) 22:02, 29 April 2022 (EDT)

Latest revision as of 23:39, 1 September 2023

Archive - 2012 - Factions, Project Planets, mapping, SLDF units
Archive - 2013 - Individual Ship work, Project Planets work, mapping, template work
Archive - 2014 - Sources needing updates, sourcebook searches, ships needing articles, new infoboxes
Archive - 2015-17

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Leftover To-do List[edit]

Ships to Write Up[edit]

  • House Davion (The Federated Suns)
    • NAS Hopewell, launched 2293, first home-built freighter christened in New Avalon, built alongside three other ships by Davion-owned plant
    • Jump Courier Jason Hasek
  • Interstellar Operations Beta
    • League-class Talwar, Turk, Tyberium - p. 228-ish
    • Aegis-class Manaslu - p. 228 ish
    • Dropship Vidar Eisenboot - p. 303
  • First Succession War (sourcebook)
    • WarShips
      • DCS Honor of Pesht p. 7
      • Manaslu - Aegis, p. 18
      • Caledonia, Donegal, Furillo - Commonwealths, p. 19
      • Odessa, Porrima - Commonwealths, p. 29
      • Aurelius, Nerva, Vespasian, Vitellius - Makos, p. 19
      • Talwar, Turk, Tyberium - Leagues, p. 19
      • Francisco - Vincent, p. 29
      • Midale - New Syrtis, p. 38
      • Reynard Davion, Samuel Davion - Davions, p. 38
      • Firewind - Narukami, p. 38
      • Hagiwawa - Samarkand, p. 38
      • New Ivaarsen - Robinson, p. 39
      • Minekaze, Shiokaze - Lola I, p. 40
      • Liverpool - Carrack, p. 40
      • Robespierre - Vincent, p. 40
      • Duke Henry, Edmund Davion - Davion II, p. 40
      • Omodaka - Narukami II, p. 41
      • Halland, Stockholm - Congress, p. 42
      • Benjamin, An Ting - Samarkand I, p. 42
      • Tsutsuji - Narukami, p. 42
      • Mizuki, Kiaria - Lola, p. 42
      • Novaya Zemlya - New Syrtis, p. 42
      • Sabretooth - Aegis, p. 42
      • Mercury, Neptune - Vincent, p. 42
      • Sahand - Sovetskii Soyuz, p. 42
      • Black Bear p. 43
      • Galedon - Samarkand, p. 46
      • Impregnable, Indomitable - Tharkads, p. 46
      • Bladewind, Star Spirit - Narukami, p. 47
      • Nightwind - Potemkin, p. 47
      • Blue Lotus - Naga, p. 47
      • Coventry - Tharkad, p. 48
      • Gallery, York - Commonwealths, p. 48
      • Radstadt - Samarkand, p. 48
      • Akiko, Maji - Lolas, p. 48
      • Anthemius, Heraclius - Mako, p. 48
      • LCS Ironwood - Aegis, p. 48
      • DCS Jarett, Sawyer - Essex, p. 48
      • Agrippa, Sorunda - Atreus, p. 54
      • Mica Liao - Du Shi Wang, p. 54
      • Solstice - Soyal, p. 54
      • Ospina, Otavalo - League IIs, p. 54
      • Agrippa (again) - Atreus, p. 56
      • Oràn, Ocuri - League II, p. 56
      • Samhain - Vigilant, p. 56
      • Tianjin - Congress, p. 56
      • Ragusa - battleship, p 56
      • Minsck, Warsaw - Lolas, p. 56
      • Zulfiqar - Black Lion, p. 56
      • Ai Di - Essex, p. 56
      • Vladislav - Vincent, p. 56
      • Khalzan - Lola III or Essex, p. 56
      • Kumbha, Mithuna - Soyals, p. 57
      • Chronos - Samarkand, p. 57
      • Kanata, Majestic - Atreus, p. 58
      • Andria, Avellin - Leagues, p. 58
      • Sundermann Liao - Du Shi Wang, p. 60
      • Calseraigne - Essex, p. 60
      • Pleiades - Aegis, p. 60
      • Changsha, Mount Song - Barons, p. 60
      • Vrishabha - Soyal, p. 60
      • Bucharest - Lola III, p. 63
      • Granite, Endeavor - Aegis, p. 63
      • Devastator, Skulker - Soyals, p. 63
      • Rasalas - Cameron, p. 66
      • Hadrian, - Mako, p. 68
      • Potsdam, Ulm - Vincent Mk. 39, p. 68
      • Constantius - Mako, p. 69
      • Histria Azure - Carrack, p. 75
      • Histria Azure (again), Pretoria Castle - Carracks, p. 76
      • Edelweiss - Essex, p. 76
      • Ineffable, Chaffee - Tharkads, p. 78
      • Despiser - Essex, p. 79
      • Duncan Liao - Du Shi Wang, p. 83-84
      • Bismarck - Atreus, p. 85
      • Karka, Makara - Soyals, p. 85
      • Starlight Raider - Congress-D, p. 94
      • New Samarkand - Samarkand II, p. 94
      • Shōwakusei - Narukami II, p. 94
      • Duke Alexander, Sarah Davion - Davion II, p. 95
      • Marlette - Robinson, p. 96
      • Eos - Aegis, p. 96
      • Parin - Concordat, p. 101
    • JumpShips
      • Lucian Bell p. 18
      • Michael Rose - Monolith, p. 46
  • Touring the Stars: McEvedy's Folly
    • Galapagos - "terraforming vessel"

Lance Packs[edit]

Box Set / Lance Pack
====================

COM-2D Commando
SDR-5V Spider      * Recon
JR7-D Jenner       * Pursuit
PNT-9R Panther     * Striker
ASN-21 Assassin
CDA-2A Cicada      * Recon
CLNT-2-3T Clint    * Pursuit
HER-2S Hermes II
WTH-1 Whitworth
VND-1R Vindicator  * Support
ENF-4R Enforcer
HBK-4G Hunchback
TBT-5N Trebuchet   * Fire
DV-6M Dervish      * Fire
DRG-1N Dragon      * Striker
QKD-4G Quickdraw   * Striker
CPLT-C1 Catapult   * Command
JM6-S JagerMech
GHR-5H Grasshopper * Assault
AWS-8Q Awesome     * Support
ZEU-6S Zeus        * Battle
CP-10-Z Cyclops    * Command
BNC-3E Banshee     * Battle
AS7-D Atlas        * Assault

Lance Pack Only
===============

Blackjack          * Assault
Victor             * Assault
Centurion          * Pursuit
Wolfhound          * Pursuit
Charger            * Support
Firestarter        * Support
Hatchetman         * Battle
Orion              * Battle
Flea               * Recon
Vulcan             * Recon
Cataphract         * Command
Raven              * Command
Shogun             * Fire
Stalker            * Fire
Guillotine         * Striker

Box Set Only
============

Commando
Assassin
Hermes II
Whitworth
Enforcer
Hunchback
JagerMech

"Type" in WarShip Article Infoboxes[edit]

Hi BM, I noticed that you put "battlecruiser", "destroyer" and the like into the Type field of the WarShip infobox in your recent articles. While not technically wrong, it still surprised me as we previously simply put "WarShip" there (which is the type opposing JumpShips, DropShips, Small Craft and Space Stations). Given how arbitrary the WarShip classifications are to begin with, I feel a bit uncomfortable with using them in the infobox.

Also, I think you're working from an outdated template article that doesn't have the infoboxes' "servicesince" & "serviceuntil" fields. Whenever a ship is mentioned to have been destroyed or scuttled, feel free to use the "serviceuntil" field in the infobox to indicate when it was put out of service one way or another. Frabby (talk) 12:15, 24 January 2018 (EST)

Hi Frabby,
This is me making a mistake while tired, I'm afraid. I went on a fairly rambling update cycle after checking the update needed tags, seeing that the Atreus-class battleship article had a notice, and starting to work on the individual WarShips. One of them didn't have a class named, and at some point between that article and the next, when I was adding each new one I started changing WarShip to the class type.
You're right about the template being outdated - I grabbed it from an existing article, and didn't spot just how out of date it was. I think I've fixed all the articles I'd written, though. BrokenMnemonic (talk) 05:53, 25 January 2018 (EST)

Vandal Cop Reloaded[edit]

BrokenMnemonic, I see that you've taken some serious steps in the past day and week to handle spambots. Thanks! Please add this Vandal Cop Award, 6th ribbon to your awards board.--Mbear(talk) 06:45, 6 February 2018 (EST)

Thank you - sorry I didn't reply earlier, but I've been ill for the last week or so. Frabby's doing most of the heavy lifting on spammers these days, but there seem to be a few hours in the morning most days where I'm the only mod around and the spammers decide to try and be cheeky... BrokenMnemonic (talk) 03:04, 12 February 2018 (EST)

30K[edit]

Hi, I just noticed you hit the 30,000 edits mark. If that doesn't deserve a Casual Edit Award, 9th ribbon then I'm not sure what does. Only a few more to catch Doneve Wink.gif - Dark Jaguar (talk) 14:47, 30 March 2018 (EDT) I'm not sure anyone will ever catch up with Doneve, but I'm cool with that Wink.gif Thank you for the award - I seem to have slowed down since my job changed in April, but I plan to keep plugging away. BrokenMnemonic (talk) 16:12, 23 April 2018 (EDT)

Civil War[edit]

Archer      - 2458 / 2474
Banshee     - 2445
Battleaxe   - 2459
Bellerophon - 2442
Commando    - 2486
Crossbow    - 2468 / 2481
Dervish     - 2520
Firebee     - 2483
Flea        - 2475
Gladiator   - 2468 / 2495
Griffin     - 2492
Guillotine  - 2499
Hammerhands - 2475
Hector      - 2460
Icarus II   - 2518
Koschei     - 2504
Kyudo       - 2443
Locust      - 2499
Longbow     - 2480
Mackie      - 2439
Orion       - 2456
Ostroc      - 2511
Ostwar      - 2470 / 2500
Phoenix     - 2474 / 2520
Swordsman   - 2463
Talos       - 2532
Thorn       - 2490
Thunderbolt - 2491
Von Rohrs   - 2487
Warhammer   - 2515
Wasp        - 2464
Ymir        - 2462

OHU[edit]

Okay, I give up. What does OHU stand for? Frabby (talk) 08:20, 9 May 2018 (EDT)

It's an abbreviation of "Owner history update" because I got tired of writing that for dozens of entries in a row. I'm alternating chuntering through doing complete article updates and updating the owner histories to reflect the maps in First Succession War and Second Succession War to make doing the full article updates a little faster. BrokenMnemonic (talk) 08:46, 9 May 2018 (EDT)


Abuse Filter[edit]

Thank you much, especially with adding URLs. I was hoping someone would figure it out too, but I knew any directions I wrote would probably just complicate it. --Revanche (talk|contribs) 11:48, 21 May 2018 (EDT)

I had no idea the filters existed, but now I know they do, I'll try and keep updating them when I end up deleting spammers - I doubt we'll ever get ahead of the majority of them, but it seems a worthy fight! BrokenMnemonic (talk) 02:39, 22 May 2018 (EDT)
I've written Nic, asking him to check on the external links to new user pages (filter #3), as it does not appear to be working (only hit was an internal link). If we get that working, we'll be golden (for a while), as all spam getting thru the last few days has been on those pages.--Revanche (talk|contribs) 07:50, 22 May 2018 (EDT)

Off-site[edit]

BM, as of this Wednesday, I'll be unavailable until the 8th of June (at least). Would you stay on top of filter #18? Also of note: when you're in the Abuse Log, clicking on an entry's "details" and scrolling to the bottom will provide you the perp's IP address, even if it's already been merged with Anonymous. That'll be a great way to block the IP, rather than just the throwaway account.

As an aside: I've reached out to Nic to talk to him about the filters, but don't know if that will happen before I travel.--Revanche (talk|contribs) 09:46, 29 May 2018 (EDT)

Hi Rev,
I'll do my best - the convention I help run each year is in two weeks time though, so I'm not going to be online as much as I'd hope (and haven't been on Sarna as much over the last couple of weeks as I should've been) so I'll not be as on-top of things as I'd like. BrokenMnemonic (talk) 02:38, 30 May 2018 (EDT)
Understood; no problem. I'm sure Frabby will nuke 'em from orbit. Enjoy all the macrame artists!!--Revanche (talk|contribs) 09:14, 30 May 2018 (EDT)

Front page news[edit]

Hey BM, last month I gave Frabby a poke about updating the front page with news of the new releases and you ebded up doing it, so you fancy doing the same again?--Dmon (talk) 03:41, 12 September 2018 (EDT)

Happy to! It might take me a little while as work's manic at the moment, but I'll get it done soonest. I also want to work up a Spotlight On series page, in the same fashion as the Touring the Stars page... BrokenMnemonic (talk) 04:09, 12 September 2018 (EDT)
Could You do the honors for us please regarding Spotlight On: Unending Faith and Touring the Stars: Regis Roost --Dmon (talk) 04:46, 27 October 2018 (EDT)
Done and done. As we've got a dozen or so digital releases due between now and Christmas, I might simply add new ones to the most recent announcement, to avoid turning the page over too quickly...
That makes sense, as new products become a regular thing again maybe something like a monthly combined New Release / Moratorium expiration post might be worth while.--Dmon (talk) 06:10, 29 October 2018 (EDT)

Draft Request: Union of Samoyedic Colonies[edit]

BLUF: Could I get you to start an article for the Union of Samoyedic Colonies?

Operation Doneve is progressing nicely. We should have only one more system audit to run, to ensure all relevant articles have been identified and have the requisite templates in place for the various scripts to recognize and update. One item stands out: the Union of Samoyedic Colonies, which does not yet exist. The project is not hindered by the lack of the article, but it is a line of unfinished business, as we proceed into the development phases. I'm afraid it will drop off the radar completely, if left to me.

Would you be willing to take an opening crack at it? The issue is that there is so much information on the Union (Interstellar Players 3, pp. 50, 54-58), that I cannot take the time out of other areas of focus to give it a good first draft. I could easily create a nearly empty template of a page, with the coordinates (-896.324, 34.810), but that's just too much of a stub for something that deserves a better first look for any reader visiting the page.

If now's not the right time, please let me know. I also apologize for putting you on the spot; this isn't how wiki collaborations are supposed to work.--Revanche (talk|contribs) 11:23, 17 September 2018 (EDT)

Yo da man, BrokenMnemonic. Thanks a bunch! That is an informative article.--Revanche (talk|contribs) 06:21, 18 September 2018 (EDT)
No problem - most of the people in my area are away at an industry event, so I managed to grab a couple of quiet hours to work on Sarna. I added two other new planet articles as well, but I didn't have time to write up an article on the Union as a faction, unfortunately. BrokenMnemonic (talk) 16:30, 18 September 2018 (EDT)
Getting paid to Sarna; you're living the dream, mate.--Revanche (talk|contribs) 17:59, 18 September 2018 (EDT)

Award[edit]

Hey BM, just want to express am appreciation for the huge amount of dog work you do around here. Specifically all your recent work sorting out all the images. Random Act of Appreciation Award, 9th ribbon --Dmon (talk) 05:27, 19 October 2018 (EDT)

Thank you Smiley.gif I'm heading into a slower month in November, while I work on NaNoWriMo, but I'm determined to get the uncategorised images down to below a thousand, and to get the uncategorised pages down to soemthing resembling a sensible number. I may regret those decisions in the future, obviously... BrokenMnemonic (talk) 08:20, 27 October 2018 (EDT)

Categories for transcripts[edit]

Umm. I don't quite understand why we've installed transcript categories for individual games, given that these "categories" are really finite lists with a defined content that's not going to change? Category talk:Media Transcripts#Why Categories? Frabby (talk) 06:38, 24 November 2018 (EST)

Two main reasons; first, it helps people browsing find them quickly and easily by going through the categories, and because it takes them out of the massive morass of thousands of files that currently sit in the "pages with no category" category. Someone who finds one of the pages or looks them up can use the category to easily navigate to all of the other transcripts, if they're so inclined. BrokenMnemonic (talk) 13:45, 24 November 2018 (EST)

OD[edit]

BrokenMnemonic, do you have access to the OD forum?--Revanche (talk|contribs) 10:37, 8 February 2019 (EST)

Adding Image Summary Templates[edit]

Hi BrokenMnemonic, I am adding Template:Image_summary to all images that I can in accordance with Policy:Images, and any help is appreciated. Since you've been adding categories to a lot of the CCG images, could I ask you to add the template as well? If you add it and the information is unknown, leave the line blank. The image then shows up in the Images Missing Copyright Information category and someone else may be able to add the info. If the image does not have the template, it will not appear in the category, and is more difficult to find. A blank template is better than no template, but obviously the more information you have time to add the better. Pserratv and I have been using the same basic format for the cards, just changing the Mech name, artist name (in the template and then the category), name of the card set, and (if appropriate) change BattleMech to OmniMech. File:Albatross_ALB-3U_CCG_Mercenaries.jpg or File:Daishi_S_(Dire_Wolf)_CCG_Arsenal.jpg. Thank you! --Cache (talk) 18:54, 19 March 2019 (EDT)

Star League commands order[edit]

Hi BrokenMnemonic,

I've seen that the Star League commands order is different from the rest. Units assigned in sub-level commands do appear also in the root (something that does not happen in other Military Commands Categories. Am I right if I consider this Category incorrectly done?

I also think there are categories missing that should help reorganize this a bit better? The level of sub commands can be huge, and I do not even know which is the best way to order them.

I tried to make this a general query, but have no idea on how to do it.--Pserratv (talk) 10:31, 18 July 2019 (EDT)

FWIW, I provided an answer on my talk page.--Mbear(talk) 09:21, 19 July 2019 (EDT)
I'm sorry I wasn't around to answer this - I've not been able to log in much lately, unfortunately. BrokenMnemonic (talk) 16:10, 22 July 2019 (EDT)

Proposed Organization of the Star League Forces (final)[edit]

I've created and explained a proposal here: Category talk:Star League Defense Force Commands, could you review and share your insights?--Pserratv (talk) 08:55, 7 August 2019 (EDT)

Kickstarter, Event articles and Event category[edit]

Hi BM, let's continue our work on this over at my talk page. Frabby (talk) 08:20, 4 November 2019 (EST)

Jaqueline Tokawa[edit]

Just had a look at your Jaqueline Tokawa and want to present to you a good article award Good Article Award, 3rd ribbon as a way to show my appreciation for this shining example of what a minor character article should be.

P.S. I have updated your awards board.--Dmon (talk) 05:19, 6 February 2020 (EST)

Thank you Smiley.gif I've not had much free time for anything lately, but I discovered I have a copy of TRO:3058U in my email account at work, so I decided to see if I could do some small edits - don't tell my boss that, though... BrokenMnemonic (talk) 03:28, 7 February 2020 (EST)
Secret is safe with my Wink.gif--Dmon (talk) 06:08, 7 February 2020 (EST)

Double Redirects[edit]

Hi BrokenMnemonic, I've been working with the Special:DoubleRedirects to get rid of them. All the ones that are not user based are corrected. But there is one related to your user: User:BrokenMnemonic/Clan Invasion Kickstarter 2019 (edit) →‎ Clan Invasion Kickstarter 2019 →‎ 2019 Clan Invasion crowdfunding campaign

And I would never dare to change a personal page. Can you do it?--Pserratv (talk) 11:13, 11 March 2020 (EDT)

Sorted. This was the KS page getting moved around while User:Frabby and I wrangled over names Wink.gif BrokenMnemonic (talk) 15:42, 11 March 2020 (EDT)
I imagined it was something like this. Thanks!--Pserratv (talk) 04:22, 12 March 2020 (EDT)

InfoBox update[edit]

Hey BM,

After our conversation a couple of weeks ago I have updated the Character infobox to include rank and title in order to add flexability. I have no intention of going through all the character articles to update them, but for the future if you could include the new box in newly created/updated aticles it would be good.--Dmon (talk) 08:12, 16 April 2020 (EDT)

Willdo, thank you. BrokenMnemonic (talk) 12:37, 18 April 2020 (EDT)
Hey BM,
Saw your new Regulan Hussars articles and wanted to throw this your way.
Very early stages of rollout (Northwind Highlanders have been up as a test since July) but just as a heads up the that the House Command and Mercenary Command infoboxes are going to become obsolete soon and a combined Military Command infobox brought in. Due to the number of effected articles it should be implimented in a similar manner to the character infobox, i.e. on new articles and when an existing one is updated.--Dmon (talk) 16:12, 31 August 2020 (EDT)

Reference pagination[edit]

I've noticed some discrepancies between page numbers cited in some articles and those in my copies of books. The clearest example I've found is in the references of Lee Shore, which lists both page and chapter numbers. My copy of The Hunters (which reads "First Printing, December 1997" on the copyright page) doesn't agree with those page numbers. For example, notes 2 and 3 give references within Chapter 22 at pages 191 and 199, but in my copy of the novel Chapter 22 begins on page 210. The other citations are similarly different from what I have.

I've encountered several such discrepancies, and I'm starting to suspect that maybe we're running into different editions that have different pagination. I'd like to see if I can get to the bottom of it. The article history indicates that you were the editor who contributed the references. Would you be able to check the page numbers and edition of your copy of The Hunters to see if we can account for the differences? Tosta Dojen (talk) 14:40, 17 August 2020 (EDT)

Ah, I know what'll be causing that - I'm working from an ebook copy I bought during the period where the books were semi-available from Catalyst but had disclaimers about possibly not being the final print-ready versions. BrokenMnemonic (talk) 15:38, 19 August 2020 (EDT)
Thanks for checking; I figured it was something like that. I've been thinking about what to do about this kind of discrepancy. The print novel is the most canonical source, but using those page numbers still results in issues for readers and editors who have electronic copies of the novels. (And possibly also those who have print copies translated to another language.)
Maybe the best thing is to avoid page numbers when citing novels, in favor of chapter citations. Most of the citations I've added reference chapters—not because I anticipated this issue, but simply because that's how the articles were already structured when I got there. That should avoid the discrepancies while still providing a reasonably-specific reference for verification. Tosta Dojen (talk) 11:41, 27 August 2020 (EDT)
Yeah I started using Chapter instead of page when I realised that the default setting on my tablet uses quite a large size and the books where running into 500ish pages and I had no real way to check them.--Dmon (talk) 13:52, 27 August 2020 (EDT)
On the flipside most/all ebook versions have a search function so I would like to think we can scrape by on chapter even if it is not as accurate as is the norm on wikis.--Dmon (talk) 13:57, 27 August 2020 (EDT)
This is an old problem going back to the BattleCorps re-releases of the classic novels in a totally different format. We don't have a Sarna policy on this, but the default approach was to use the first print edition as the lead product. Since this may be accurate but ultimately is not very helpful for actually finding the quote when the first print edition of the book in question is hard to come by (hello The Sword and the Dagger), I've often referred to chapters, too. Remember the purpose of quoting a reference: People should be able to look it up themselves and confirm it, and for this they need to find the quote. Frabby (talk) 07:13, 28 August 2020 (EDT)
I've been quoting both page and chapter for a while in references (although a while is subjective, given how long I've been on the site and when I started editing...) on the principle that regardless of the changes in pagination that portable media devices can make, the chapters are discrete blocks of text that are immediately identifiable, and most BattleTech books don't seem to have chapters that are particularly long, making skimming through for a bit of text relatively painless... BrokenMnemonic (talk) 06:55, 30 August 2020 (EDT)

InfoBoxStateUnit —> InfoBoxMilitaryCommand[edit]

Reminder: InfoBoxStateUnit is deprecated. We're transitioning to InfoBoxMilitaryCommand instead. :) Frabby (talk) 00:36, 1 September 2020 (EDT)

Wynn's Roost[edit]

Hey BM,

Your Wynn's Roost rework has got to be the one of the best planet articles on the wiki now. Well done! I have done two small changes, I have changed the section heads to use two equals symbols instead of one (as is the norm across the rest of the wiki) and I have moved the affiliation section back up to the system section as I can't find any systems where two planets where considered to be of different factions so I am working to eliminate the second (usually blank) affiliation section most planet articles have. Hope you don't mind.--Dmon (talk) 18:21, 7 October 2020 (EDT)

Hi Dmon,
The format I used in the Wynn's Roost article is the one that I set up as the agreed template for the planets article as part of the Planets Project - you can see it in place in loads of other articles - look at Benet, for example. I updated literally hundreds of articles manually to use it, after it was agreed as the standard - the single-level indentation for system and planet names is intentional, so that articles like the multi-planet Niops system can merge into one article. The distinct political affiliation sections in system history and planet history were the result of a compromise with Frabby, because while we're using system articles rather than planet articles, almost all of the affiliation information we have is based on the planets, not the systems, and we needed a mechanism to allow for when one power theoretically controlled a system but didn't occupy the planet itself. By default, the political affiliation in the system section is used when we have no definitive information on planets, and the political affiliation section is used where we actually have information on the planets themselves. Checking Category:PPO Phase 5 thee are over 1,200 planet articles using the updated format. Has the planets project decided to change the article format again? Only I've literally spent years updating articles to what was the agreed format. BrokenMnemonic (talk) 03:16, 8 October 2020 (EDT)
I went back to check, and a lot of the discussion is here: BattleTechWiki:Project Planets/Planet Overhaul and in the associated talk page, and you can see the agreed template linked at the bottom of that page, or go to it directly here: BattleTechWiki:Project_Planets/Planet_Overhaul/C&P_Template BrokenMnemonic (talk) 03:22, 8 October 2020 (EDT)
Ah, I shall have to give it a read. The PPO stuff has that many pages I have literally no idea of what the standards are. I can confirm that you do not have 1200 articles at phase 5 because I have updated at least 1100 of our 3300ish articles to benefit from specific planet designations.--Dmon (talk) 04:01, 8 October 2020 (EDT)
Having actually skimmed the discussion most of the people who participated are not very active on the wiki anymore and having found the standards for the various phases, I think I have roughly brought most of the planets up to something similar to being Phase 5 over the last 3 years.--Dmon (talk) 04:18, 8 October 2020 (EDT)
The phases became a little redundant, even after the last revision, because of the switch to Nic generating the system tables automagically - one of the reasons I lost steam is because of the amount of time it took to manually generate and populate the nearby systems tables. Everything that's listed in the PPO Phase 5 category definitely has the latest template incorporated into each article though, and as good practise I left the unused sections in each article I updated, commented out so that if information became available, people who weren't familiar with the layout could see where information was supposed to go. BrokenMnemonic (talk) 08:08, 8 October 2020 (EDT)

Thank you[edit]

Hey BM,

Thank you for creating the BattleTech Salvage Box article, I was putting it off until last because I was not sure how I wanted handle it. You stepped up and created a nice simple good looking solution saving me the hassle. Have an all purpose award as a thank you. All Purpose Award, 10th ribbon

I shall update your awards board as well. --Dmon (talk) 09:48, 8 November 2020 (EST)

Hi Dmon,
Thank you - seeing your UrbanMech salvage box article actually prompted me to hurry up and do something about a problem with theproduct codes of the articles I'd written on the dice and challenge coins, so it sounds like I helped us both out! BrokenMnemonic (talk) 13:01, 8 November 2020 (EST)
All about Synergy!--Dmon (talk) 13:51, 8 November 2020 (EST)
Now we just need everyone who received one of these uniquely-coded items to go in and add the details to the pages for badges/dice/coins/et al... BrokenMnemonic (talk) 14:23, 8 November 2020 (EST)
I have found the best way to get info out of the wider BT community is simply ask for it.--Dmon (talk) 14:32, 8 November 2020 (EST)
Did you back the KS, btw? I backed at Star Colonel, and while trying to reconcile the Pledge Manager against the KS campaign page, I've noticed that I can't find what's listed in the pledges from Star Captain up as "MechWarrior Pilots III" anywhere. I'm guessing it will ship as MechWarrior Card Pack III, because MechWarrior Pilots I & II have become MechWarrior Card Packs I & II (with individual product numbers) but I'm a little disconcerted I can't see pack III anywhere in the Pledge Manager. BrokenMnemonic (talk) 15:06, 8 November 2020 (EST)
I did, only at Star Commander level with a load of digital add-ons though as I do not have an active player group, so I went for maximum lore over physical product. I have had similar issues concerning the Card Packs, I was looking last night in fact. I have messaged the KS page so if they get back to me I will let you know.--Dmon (talk) 15:18, 8 November 2020 (EST)
A number of items have changed name between what was announced on the KS page, and what's in the pledge manager/my packing crate, which is confusing things a bit. I also have an outstanding email with the pledge manager thing over the fact that I ordered a digital copy of TRO 3067, and received a discount code that a) doesn't work in the CGL shop and b) looks like it might actually be for TRO: 3075... BrokenMnemonic (talk) 15:24, 8 November 2020 (EST)
We already have a legendary MP article! BattleTech: Legendary MechWarriors--Dmon (talk) 17:20, 10 November 2020 (EST)
Ah. I'm working my way down the Kickstarter page here, and it was a redlink there, so I presumed the article hadn't been written. BrokenMnemonic (talk) 09:34, 11 November 2020 (EST)

Image Categories[edit]

Hi BrokenMnemonic,

Do you know how the system maps are generated? All those images don't have a category and this makes the Uncategorized files not very useful as from the first 1000 thousand maybe 95% images as these ones. And I do not want to put them in a category as this might affect the "program" that generates them. Do you know who can help? Maybe when the image is generated it can be put in a category like "System Images". I'm asking more people, but do you have any idea?--Pserratv (talk) 04:22, 8 March 2021 (EST)

MapPack Duplicate[edit]

Hi,

It looks to me like we have a duplicate pages for MapPack Grasslands - Map Pack: Grasslands and Map Pack: Grasslands. Since you created one, could I get your confirmation we both think these are about the same product before I merge them? Thanks. HF22 (talk) 19:41, 11 September 2021 (EDT)

Davion II Sources?[edit]

Hey, do you know of any other sources on the Davion II (WarShip class)? It's running reference-lite.--Talvin (talk) 13:25, 16 March 2022 (EDT)

I'll have a rummage around tonight. It needs the citations added to the article from the TRO, if nothing else! BrokenMnemonic (talk) 05:38, 17 March 2022 (EDT)

Off topic, hope you don't mind[edit]

This is not BattleTech, but I think it is very much you: go to Amazon and search for "Spacecraft of the First World War: A Compendium of Fighting Vessels of the Great Powers" by William Flogg (Author), Michael Doscher (Author), Soloman Penn (Editor). Apologies if I am wrong, but it's a type of nerdery I think we share. :) --Talvin (talk) 22:02, 29 April 2022 (EDT)

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